ECONOMIC COLLPASE OF AMERICA?

Omerta posted a very interesting article in the previous post about how Wyoming is seeking to draw up a doomsday plan in the likely event the USA has an economic/gov’t collapse (which we are on the verge of anyway).

 

I figure I have quite a few intelligent and well versed men here (and i find men typically are very knowledgeable about more political and economic things) and would like to get some ideas on how Americans who are well aware of what is happening but unsure what to do can do.

 

While I know this is not keeping with the blogs theme, its an important issue to me b/c I have frequeted boards in the past who have also alerted to this reality and I am looking at the most probable and realistic way that i as an individual can prepare for this God forbid we have a gov’t or economic collpase.

 

Please feel free to discuss here any ideas or suggestions you have.

 

Thanks!

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  1. Neecy
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 06:08:25

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  2. Omerta327
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 07:36:42

    I debated with myself over whether or not to post this link cuz obviously it has nothing to do with the persuit of poon, *ahem*, I mean healthy relationships :mrgreen:, but I felt it was important to share because it affects us all. Thanx for the props, Neece.

    Zorro: I’ll be perfectly honest. I am totally convinced the next 30 years will see the US descend into economic oblivion. Brazil will be looking down on us. There is serious shit going on that nobody wants to talk about.

    The way fiat currency is going now, hyperinflation will happen WAAAY sooner than that, possibly within 5-10 years. The $ hasn’t been based on anything intrinsic since Nixon did away w/ the gold standard.

    I have an old coin collection which includes a lot of silver (pre-1964) coins. Lately I’ve been contemplating selling at least part of it in exchange for gold, since gold has been a little more stable then silver lately, although silver is also a solid commodity.

    What I found most alarming about this article is that it’s not just Wyoming – 11 other states have put forth similar plans. Hopefully it’s all just worst-case-scenario disaster planning and nothing more, but it shows that we all need to keep a very watchful eye over where the $ is heading.

    If it means moving to Brazil, so be it. I looove Latinas. 😉

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    • Neecy
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 18:02:28

      That’s good you have some coins, but what if a person doesn’t own ny gold already? Are there specific places where it can be obtained and bought (i’m talkign gold coins)? Or is it best to invest in simply purchasing gold jewerly?

      I hear ya i would want to head tot he Nordic God countries like Sweden etc. They have a great economic plan and they take very good care of their citizens as well.

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  3. Mr Natural
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 09:02:05

    Gold and silver are both good, but it’s hard to tell which is better right now. Historically their prices track around 15 to 1 (occurance in nature is about 17 to 1)and lately their prices are tracking around 50 to 1 (1775/34 apx.). So is gold overpriced or silver underpriced? I think silver would be a better buy myself, but that’s just a guess. Even going with gold, you’ll need some silver for ordinary purchasing when fiat money collapses.

    Thing with gold, a lot of value is packed into a small space and weight as opposed to silver. A pound of gold at 1775/oz is $28,400k: it’s easier to conceal than silver per unit value, and you can carry a lot of value on your person.

    Something else to consider is that as the economy staggers and fails, the rule of law will also be collapsing. In it’s latter days, the government, desperate for money, will likely outlaw gold and demand that it be surrendered at some ridiculously low price. Typically in times past, safe deposit boxes have been frozen and banks required to give any gold found to the government. With the collapse of fiat money will come shortages; food, gas, electricity and many other things. People will get desperate and will be willing do desperate things. Be aware that when society collapses to a gold standard, the lead standard will also apply.

    For realistic economic info these guys are good: http://www.zerohedge.com/
    For precious metals: http://www.goldcore.com/ and of course: http://www.kitco.com/

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    • Omerta327
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 09:12:53

      Wise words, Mr. Natch.

      Even going with gold, you’ll need some silver for ordinary purchasing when fiat money collapses.

      Yep. That’s why I plan on keeping at least some assets in silver if I choose to go that route.

      With the collapse of fiat money will come shortages; food, gas, electricity and many other things. People will get desperate and will be willing do desperate things.

      Some other things to do in case of such a collapse – stock up on non-perishable foods, water and supplies, and obtain and learn to use a firearm.

      Be aware that when society collapses to a gold standard, the lead standard will also apply.

      Hmm. Hadn’t thought of that.

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      • Neecy
        Feb 27, 2012 @ 18:09:41

        I often hear of firearms as one of the things one would need in the event of a collapse. Its scarey b/c I guess it spells out the desperation of people in a society that has crumbled. i mean I don’t wanna see the day i have to carry a firearm for my general safety.

        Canned supplies and water are hard to keep around if you live in an apartment. plus they expire which would be a pain. But I guess its worth it.

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    • Omerta327
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 09:17:41

      BTW, I like the R. Crumb avatar. 😎

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    • Neecy
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 18:07:43

      Hey mr. natiral!

      Thanks for the informative post. So with gold and silver are you talking strictly coins or just purchasing items like jewlerly as a way to obtain?

      Its really scarey to think what can happen when a gov’t and economy is on the verge of collapse. You are right, people do desperate things and one’s freedom becomes much less. i often feel that even trying to put money (dollars) aside isn’t even safe b/c the value will be of no use if anything were to happen.

      What exactly did you mean by saying that a “lead standard” would apply?

      I guess i could also look to storing food but I feel that is a waste if i buy a bunch of canned goods only for them to expire. LOL

      i am typically not a person of paranioa but the writing *IS* on the wall that smart people will have a plan B in the event anything does happen. You know Kadijah was very big on this topic as well.

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      • Mr Natural
        Feb 28, 2012 @ 12:14:56

        Hi Neecy –

        Coins, for us middle-class folk. The whole reason for having coins struck is to create an immediately recognizable unit of value. A one-ounce American Gold Eagle coin has a exact value knownb to all which is good anywhere. Same for one-ounce silver coins, and so on. Jewelry and precious metal in bar form are for people with lots of $$ to preserve.

        The ‘Lead Standard’ is a reference to lead in bullets; the potential need for self defence in a social environment where the rule of law has broken down.

        Khadija! She and I had some intertesting email convos on that very topic. If you know what Khadija thought about societal collapse and how to prepare, you pretty much know what I think :).

        Storing food is a problem, but there are things we can do .. check the expiration date on canned tuna for instance; usually 2+ years out and it’ll be good way past that. And I eat tuna, so what I have is always being rotated. There’s more.

        This stuff is like car insurance. Get it set up => it’s there if needed => life goes on.

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        • Neecy
          Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:37:17

          Thanks for the clarification. Yes i think its just best that we all be prepared b/c it just doesn’t really look at that good. I don’t think we should be paranoid, but rather prepared. 😉

          Yes Kadijah was very well versed in this topic!

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    • Sophia
      Mar 01, 2012 @ 19:53:40

      Would u say that gold is in a bubble right now?

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  4. Firepower
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 09:25:09

    neeecy dont worry -u WILL survive! i just know she’ll somehow parlay her natural assets and bubly personality into a 4th wife gig with the local warlord of New Encino

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    • Omerta327
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 09:28:53

      Stockholm syndrome?

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    • Neecy
      Feb 27, 2012 @ 18:11:53

      IOW’s start perusing the sugardaddy.com website to get me a sugar daddy? LOL!

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      • Firepower
        Feb 28, 2012 @ 10:12:00

        seriosly, a “sugar-daddy” type whose achievments are limited to purchasing power is the LAST type you’d need during a social collapse. You WILL need the strong, violent type trained in action – not shopping. if you could cook even a little bit, i might put you in touch with the last Real Man in la county. what other barterable skills do you have – you sure can’t figure out how to send pictures

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        • Neecy
          Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:38:20

          Let’s just say cooking is not one of my fortays. However, I always feel I can make up for that in other areas 😉

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          • Zorro
            Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:58:21

            You can’t cook??!!

            I can! Just yesterday I whipped up a batch of the most awesome coconut shrimp with orange marmalade/dijon mustard/dark rum dipping sauce you evah had.

            You should be chasing after a guy like me who can keep you well fed. You’re gonna waste away, all skin and bones!

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            • Neecy
              Feb 29, 2012 @ 10:56:13

              How did you learn to cook so well! Ugh I’m horrible at it and the crazy thing is I grew up around people who cooked well, including my dad. My grandmother says its b/c I was spoiled and no one ever made me cook or do anything in the kitchen so I never learned.

              Meh, skin and bones wouldn’t be so bad at this juncture. You can always easily work your way up to the weight and body you want. Much easier that route than trying to work your way back down.

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              • Zorro
                Feb 29, 2012 @ 12:06:21

                I have two brothers and one sister, but I was the only person (including Dad) that Mom allowed to watch her cook. When my Mom cooked, you had to stay away from her because she flew around the kitchen like she owned it (and she did). So I learned from her.

                Then I spent ridiculous amounts of money buying more kitchen stuff than my mother had. The best. Calphalon, Cuisinart, Braun, the best chefs knives and cutlery. I could slaughter a kangaroo and use a different knife for each cut.

                I love cookbooks. They are my porn. I have about 30. Honestly, I am not really a great cook in any sense of the word, but if you put 1,000 recipes in front of me, I can make 975 of them perfectly well on the first attempt. I am very comfortable in a kitchen. I never poisoned anyone, and nobody ever left my apartment hungry. I know people, mostly women, who can humiliate me in a kitchen, but if you line me up with any 100 other men, there might only be one who can match me in a kitchen.

                I love to cook. I also love to tie up a woman in bed, blindfold her and force her to eat Bailey’s Irish crème brûlée. It trains her to open her mouth on command.

                Food can be seriously kinky!

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          • Zorro
            Feb 29, 2012 @ 12:08:09

            Ahem…forte.

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    • Zorro
      Mar 01, 2012 @ 20:17:11

      First she was afraid
      She was petrified
      Kept thinking she could never live
      without you by her side
      But she spent so many nights
      thinking how you did her wrong
      She grew strong

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  5. n/a
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 20:11:26

    Jesus Fucking Christ end of the world talk is dopey as hell.

    Only in our spectacularly wealthy and ingrate society could anyone possibly have the excess leisure to imagine nonsense like this.

    Wyoming has its head up its fat white ass.

    Here’s what’s likely: the momentous US-based natural gas boom that has barely even begun kicks in hard and people start converting cars, trucks and buses to liquefied natural gas. If anyone here has any conception of *what that means* they wouldn’t be talking about economic collapse.

    Again. Nothing else has the ripple effect of vast energy resource discoveries. And, like always, when everybody starts talking about the apocalypse, that’s when smart rich guys like me laugh because we’ve already *shorted* the concept.

    I’m sitting on my shapely bronze ass in Maui because I make money off the delusions of crowds.

    If there’s anything to worry about it’s this: there hasn’t been a major power war in too f’ing long. And China has a great excess of young blueballed males. And this 4th world dump of a country — I’ve been there, all over it — needs to keep its commie gov and real estate bubbles afloat. They will do this the way all such failing regimes do: they will make war.

    Once they go too far we will step to them. And then the whole current order of society will be wiped away. That’s the glory of total war: worthless ideas like “feminism” and “environmentalism” do not survive this hard brush with reality.

    Next.–

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    • Neecy
      Feb 28, 2012 @ 07:19:31

      N/A i kinda understand where you are coming from, but you also have to realize most of us are not wealthy and we do have a reason to worry.

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      • n/a
        Feb 29, 2012 @ 02:19:22

        Neecy,

        My money is irrelevant to my analysis, Neecy. My belief is that recently discovered, vast sources of natural gas — and the eventual replacement of gasoline with liquefied natural gas — will bring extraordinary benefits to *every level* of the US economy.

        Indeed, this vast source of energy and its innovative application is likely to bring about an American golden age of power and confidence. Forget about “collapse,” it ain’t happening. People do love melodrama, and that’s why one reads this kind of apocalyptic nonsense.

        Roissy twittered re: more and more economists predicting “collapse.” If you knew about the track record of expert prediction, esp. in a field like economics, these predictions would make smart money rush the other way.

        Dan Gardner wrote an excellent book called “Future Babble” and it makes very clear how often the “experts” can be relied upon to get things right, which is: no more often than a monkey throwing darts. It’s *that* bad.

        Anxiety accompanies times of radical change. Soon enough, docs are gonna be able to scan your genome for under a 1000 dollars. Such *utterly incredible* advances do not happen in societies on the verge of “collapse.”

        Period.–

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        • Neecy
          Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:39:38

          So You don’t think there is a reason to worry is what you are saying? That it will all eventually clean itself up? I am not being faceetious I’m being sincere – its always good to hear two different opinions on the matter.

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          • MK
            Feb 29, 2012 @ 12:23:44

            I sort of think NA is on to something in that even if end of the world is true what does it change?
            – Are you going to even want to live in that type of scenario most people right now would not and could not
            – Are you ready to work your ass off for a meager existance and still be hungry
            – Are you able to outfight/outwhit those that will expect handouts and try to take whats yours.
            -Are you handy mechanically, farming wise, and with a gun.

            Basically most people couldn’t survive anyway and wouldn’t probably want to if thrust into the environment.

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            • Neecy
              Mar 01, 2012 @ 09:39:53

              You’re right I would not want to live in that sort of environment at all!

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            • Omerta327
              Mar 01, 2012 @ 10:07:50

              The real question, MK, is if that scenario were to play out (not saying it will), would you have a choice?

              No. Adapt and survive, or perish.

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              • MK
                Mar 01, 2012 @ 18:45:17

                Omerta
                I agree someone wouldn’t have a choice per se but the question becomes how much of current life do you forego to prepare for a what if and how likely is it. There is a huge opportunity cost because it is so different from current day life and it would take substantial time away from pursuing what is considered career excellence for most people these days.

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  6. Mark Slater
    Feb 27, 2012 @ 22:01:30

    Well, again, I’m gone for a few days and Neecy’s Nest turns from a forum of the sexual dynamics of male and female into some kind of survival blog!

    Okay, I’ll bite. The Big Brains of the monstrous Bureaucracy (Democrats, Republicans, Corporate America, CFR, Rockefeller and associated endowments) have been pursuing a socialist-utopian NWO agenda for quite some time, and they have been making great strides.

    n/a said: “Wyoming has its head up its fat white ass. Here’s what’s likely: the momentous US-based natural gas boom that has barely even begun kicks in hard…”

    True, there are vast untapped sources of energy in this bountiful land, and enough left in the entrepeneurial spirit of REAL America to extract and deliver same. My concern is that the extraction of such resources would be curtailed by the entities I mentioned above.

    I can envision a scenario, if the dollar does indeed collapse, in which a worker labors for 16 hours a day for a loaf of bread and a jug of dirty water, and we all live [except for the powerful and well-connected] in Soviet-style high-rise cinderblock flats.

    “And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” — Revelation 6:6… Please note that a “penny” back then was worth about an average man’s daily wage

    Neecy said: “I hear ya i would want to head to the Nordic God countries like Sweden etc. They have a great economic plan and they take very good care of their citizens as well.”

    Wrong. The Scandinavian nations are unstable socialistic nightmares [with the possible exception of Iceland] with significant numbers of jihadist-minded Mohammedans. The Nordic men left, if the reports I’ve heard are to be believed, are ball-less weenies. Canada is but a miniature version of the U.S.

    In the brief time I have looked at survival-based websites, an abiding theme of where NOT to move seems to be “Stay away from the coasts, particularly the New York, D.C., and LOS ANGELES areas”

    Your best bet? Move with me to Wyoming. We could take up ranching and raise a whole flock of mixed-race little cowboys and cowgirls. I’ll even teach you to use a .30-30 with effectiveness.

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    • Neecy
      Feb 28, 2012 @ 07:21:49

      haha! me in Wyoming on a ranch? But oh where would I be able to wear my fashionable high heels and wardrobe?

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    • Omerta327
      Feb 28, 2012 @ 07:47:11

      Neece would bring a whole new meaning to the term ‘city slicker’.

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      • Neecy
        Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:41:27

        hehe! I’d look so damn out of place on a ranch! And no malls, no walmarts or targets, no MAC cosmetic stores, no beaches in sight. Oh i persih the thought!

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        • Omerta327
          Mar 01, 2012 @ 10:09:45

          I can picture you going up tp some old, rugged, been-a-cowboy-all-his-life rancher and asking,” Excuse me, where can I find a good wi-fi spot? I need to update my blog!”

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          • Neecy
            Mar 01, 2012 @ 10:15:10

            HAHA!!! You know me all too well O. That’s scarey!

            I just could never see myself living on a ranch or in rural areas. Don’t get me wrong i don’t like too much city either. i like nice suburban areas that I can get to things fairly easily and still get to a city if I want to do something fun.

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    • n/a
      Feb 29, 2012 @ 02:26:11

      Mark,

      Do you really believe that the current lefty bullshit will triumph over healthy greed? 😉

      They would’ve shoved cap and trade down our throats if that was possible, and it never was.

      Rest easy. The time is coming when people like yourself will come into their well-deserved desserts.

      The lefty SWPLs are failing to replace their populations; so, it can be truly said that all the ideas we hate, and their human exemplars, are dying out. They have attained the height of their power and it’s downhill from here on in.

      The babymakers will inherit the earth. There is no law more iron than the law of demographics.

      Cheers.–

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      • Neecy
        Feb 29, 2012 @ 09:46:55

        the babymakers will inherit the earth

        I always believed that but just b/c a group has high populace numbers doesn’t mean power. If the group is reproducing and creating unstable family units, many of low income or poor areas, uneducated, all they are doing is literally reproducing but not creating a quality culture or race that would be able to control or have power.

        A small group can still have quite a bit of power if they maintain control through money, education, etc.

        Look at Jewish people. They are literally like possibly 2-3% of the population in America but are still very powerful. That is b/c most of thier people are doing well despite the lower numbers. If jewish people were 70% of the population and weren’t making any strides as a culture. race etc. they’d be no better off than a smaller group of people…..

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        • n/a
          Mar 01, 2012 @ 14:18:21

          Nah, Neecy. There’s no truer statement than:

          “The future belongs to those who show up.”

          The religious, the Mormons and Muslims, etc., are having kids at very high rates. And I don’t see many Mormon ghettos.

          Demographics is destiny. I am delighted that the types I hate most will have no children and pass out of existence and political power.

          “Feminists” better get what they want now because in 15-20 years they are gone gone gone.

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          • Sophia
            Mar 01, 2012 @ 19:58:33

            But what will you do when the easy, sex-is-empowering SWPL feminists die out and all you’re left with are the good girl, no-sex-before-marriage Mormon and Muslim girls?

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            • n/a
              Mar 02, 2012 @ 12:42:10

              Ah, look who it is. Sophia.

              Sophia, ebony sylph, let me tell you something about religious girls. They become very irreligious after long and fluttery, butterfly-filled flirting with the devil. They cannot remove certain images from their minds, and, suddenly, they realize they need to bite the apple.

              You make me remember something delicious from my debauched college days. There was a black haired and creamy skinned bombshell from Utah who looked as if there was quite a bit of fierce Cherokee blood rushing through her smoothly olive Mormon thighs. And she had the most beautiful slightly crossed and almond-shaped eyes.

              She would come to the restaurant/bar my friends had opened, a kind of clubhouse where we would drink on a smooth and cool marble-topped bar, and watch the young girls file in, dressed to the nines, all of them nervous, giggling, and waiting to be plucked.

              This dark-eyed Mormon girl loved to pretend she didn’t care for me and made an art of always avoiding my gaze. But I was almost as horny then as I am now and one fine evening I simply sat down at her table and scattered her three friends by the mere intensity of my presence. They knew what had to happen.

              It took almost two weeks, but let me tell you something about this good girl. She would come to my huge and almost empty apartment as the spring grew thicker and greener and just lie there on the floor. When I entered her I would always, at a certain point, say the same thing: cross your eyes even more while I fuck you.

              And I would stare at her almost black eyes as she would blush and cross them even more.

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  7. Zorro
    Feb 28, 2012 @ 07:27:12

    Allow me to provide a molecule of explanation as re my remarks on the economic decline of the US. It is composed of a salad of variables, and I attribute the preponderance of thrust to one thing: feminism.

    Yup. I said it and I meant it.

    The following variables will play the strongest role in the economic and social decline of the USA:

    Continued governmental influence in hiring and promotion of females regardless of education, skills, or experience, over males regardless of education, skills, and experience. By this I mean gender-specific hiring quotas, affirmative action, diversity hiring, etc. This is the refutation of the meritocracy in favor of outcome-driven, politically-correct fairy tale construction.

    The decline of the nuclear family, principally driven by ideologically-Marxist, gender feminism. Since 1917, the Marxists have targeted the nuclear family, masking their aims behind a boogeyman called “patriarchy.” The family has been the single strongest unit of civilization in all societies, of any religion, any race, any nationality. And the Marxists want to destroy it. If you thought tin foil hat-wearing lunatics screaming about reptilians and the Illuminati were stupid, step up and meet people who loathe the nuclear family. They are cocksuckers without peer.

    The national debt, the bulk of which is student loan debt, and that bulk of which is female students possessing liberal arts, namby-pamby degrees like gender studies, psychology (I have lots of respect for psychology, but we are awash with psych majors, ditto English majors like ME). If we do not address our national debt, the Chinese will play with us like a kitten playing with a ball of yarn.

    The decline in boys performance in school. Numerous experts have addressed this, and the cause is well known. If the trend of boys performing badly in school continues, and young men continue to forgo college, expect marriage to drop off the side of the world. Women marry (or mate) with men who are high status. Men do not care about women’s status. Got it? It’s called hypergamy, and mother nature will fuck you up if you don’t get on board with the program.

    1. Men do not have babies.
    2. Females are hypergamous.

    That. Is. All. You. Have. To. Know.

    Welcome to The Suck. Enjoy the decline. Feminism must die or you will know what the Weimar Republic felt like when it was on its knees.

    Moose out.

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  8. Zorro
    Feb 28, 2012 @ 12:26:24

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  9. Neecy
    Mar 01, 2012 @ 10:03:54

    OK Dilemma here.

    So I have a coworker who has become a pretty good friend over the last year or so. We talk quite often about a lot of things and she is a really good person. But she is suuuuuuuper negative!

    So at work her and my boss do not have a good relationship. He is always on her back. Also she has had difficulty hitting her numbers as well. But she is the kind of person that always has an excuse for why things aren’t working out and I am sure that is frustrating to him. Also, she will argue with him when he tries to tell her something as well as she always has some excuse to give him about things he brings up to her on improving. So in essence they have a very strianed relationship. There are 10 of us in the district and everyone pretty much likes our boss.

    My relationship with my boss is completely different and awesome and I feel he really does like me as a person and employee b/c he is always giving me very positive feedback. While my numbers are not always perfect, for the most part I do hit my goals. Also, when he tells me to do stuff or instructs me on how I can do better I don’t argue with him nor do I make excuses, I just say “ok” and keep it moving. So basically the relationship between me and my boss is compleeetley different than the relationship he has with my coworker and friend.

    The dilemma is this: B/C she and I are friends and we often talk; all she does is botch and complain about the job and our boss. Every phone conversation we have is always about how our boss is the scum of the earth; this job is the scum of the earth. It puts me in a weird position b/c I don’t feel that way about my boss or the job (although as with any job it can work a good nerve every now and then). I’m not saying my boss doesn’t have his moments when you wanna strangle him, but I swear I have to sit on the phone for hours listening to her complain and bitch about our boss and job and honestly, it’s draining and just always so negative! It’s getting to a point where I don’t even want to pick up her call when she calls me anymore. EVERY.SINGLE. CONVO we have is about the job and the boss and how it’s making her life miserable.

    NOW what she is doing b/c she knows my relationship with my boss is really goods is trying to say that the only reason he is nice to me is b/c I am hitting my numbers. Then she goes onto say that as soon as my numbers drop he is going to change and start treating me like crap. This may or may not be true, but why do I need to even entertain that? I believe I have a decent relationship with my boss that if my numbers were to drop he would actually sit down with me and try to help me and not turn on me and treat me like crap. But she is constantly trying to make it seem like the only reason I’m in the clear is b/c of my numbers. I have tries to explain to her that it probably has to do more with the fact that I don’t give him a hard time when he does ride with me and critiques things that he feels I need to improve. I don’t argue with him and I never make excuses. Plus, I am always prepared when we have ride alongs which apparently she isn’t which pisses him off (she told me they got into a really heated argument last ride along b/c she didn’t have any of the stuff she should have had that we should have daily when we work). As a result he gave her a really bad field report.

    Well this week I rode with my boss for 2 days and at lunch he was going over my yearly review and I got a really good review. So he starts telling me that he wants me to take on a mentor role to someone in the district b/c I have a lot more seniority and experience etc. So I suggested my friend b/c I know how she stresses out about the job when it’s really not a hard job to begin with. He flat out looked at me with the most serious face and said “NO, she is waaay to negative and I don’t want that rubbing off on you. Pick someone else” 😯 So that pretty much summed up to me as to why they have such a bad relationship. He feels she is a negative person, and honestly even though she is my friend I have to say that he is 100% right. He doesn’t really have an idea about our friendship outside of work either.

    So should I just stop answering her calls for awhile? I mean she is a very aggressive person and I’m just getting tired of the negativity b/c I am trying to be a more positive optimistic person about a lot of things in my life, and honestly my job is not a problem for me neither is my boss even when they do get on my nerves. I have literally tried telling her in every discussion to stop thinking so negative about him and the job and maybe things will change. She won’t listen and still continues on this “he is the devil, this job is the devil” path and I’m just tired of it.

    So if you had a co-worker/friend and were in this same situation what would you do in terms of communicating with them if you felt it brought you down and made you feel more stressed and unhappy and complaining about something that really is not bother you? Its awkward b/c we work at the same job and have the same boss but two complete different experiences which makes it difficult to even talk with her or even interact with her b/c all she talks about is work and our boss. When I am meeting my friend for lunch or dinner I don’t wanna talk about the damn job or boss! UGH

    Also it puts me in a weird position b/c i don’t want to make her feel bad by saying “well He doesn’t do or say that to me” b/c then it will make her feel bad and seem like he has something personal against her. So I have found myself simply agreeing with her for the sake of not making her feel bad that i don’t go through the same stuff she does with him or even the job. In fact, i feel the job is quite damn easy if you do the job but she makes it seem like for her its hte most difficult job ever, and I really don’t understand that. Also when I try to point out all the things we should be greatful about in terms of the job and what they provide for us, she shoots that down with more negativity. Sh ehas even told me to start looking fo ranother job b/c of my boss. LOL

    Yesterday she called me and I haven’t called her back b/c I already know what the convo will be about. I don’t want to cut her off completely but I am the kind of person that can get stressed out easily over things and I don’t like constantly hearing negativity b/c then I start becoming negative.

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    • n/a
      Mar 01, 2012 @ 14:34:08

      Neecy,

      You answered your own question. It’s not like this woman is a dear and lifelong friend — so you have to cut her loose. She is wasting her time and yours.

      If you want to try to keep the friendship advise her that she should quit this job and find something she can more easily handle. However, it sounds like she’s the bitch and moan type and there’s nothing that can be done about that. She’s gotta go.

      *******

      I’ve noticed something about you over the last couple of months and I hope you don’t mind me bringing it up. You seem *very* tense and unhappy. I know you’re probably having troubles with sleep and weight again as well.

      That’s why your susceptible to worrying about nonsense like an apocalyptic crash of the economy. Men get into that shit, Neecy, because they love to imagine a world in which their manhood would be tested. But for women it’s a dead end. So forget about such nonsense and just let the guys trade survivalist tips and talk about gold and silver.

      You need to recommit to a few things pronto. You need to get good sleep (lightbox, lol); eat less; lose weight and become insanely gorgeous again; get fucking laid for once in your life even if its the long-suffering handyman; and just generally stop worrying about bullshit.

      But you need to *be disciplined* to sleep better and lose the weight. Those problems demoralize you, I’m certain of that, and then everything seems much tougher when you’re in this state.

      This is the review from your blog boss, N/A. Sticks out his tongue affectionately.–:)

      (very affectionately)

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      • Neecy
        Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:31:51

        N/A I love ya I don’t care what they say about you 😉

        Yes I am getting back on track. The holidays and a close family death around the Holidyas really threw me off my tracks and I am starting to get back on track again. Sleep has been much better as I have resigned myself to sleeping on my couch which is UUUUBER comfy. It was definitley my mattress and I will be investing in a nice new one on March 15th.

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    • Zorro
      Mar 01, 2012 @ 17:03:12

      I had that problem a couple times, but I was the Negative Nancy. Some people don’t belong in certain positions. I’ve had them. Toxic environment from my perspective; toxic employee from everyone else’s. I was eventually fired for the good of all that is honorable and decent.

      Get away from her. Negativity is emotional quicksand, and someone who is big-hearted and caring (not naming names here) will succumb, eventually, to the soul-sucking vacuum of a CoMpLaInEr.

      Like that? That’ll stick in your mind.

      Anyway, short version: DUMP HER.

      Tell her to either Buck Up or Fuck Off.

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      • Neecy
        Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:37:03

        WOW I couldn’t imagine you being that type Z! Yes there are always those in a workplace who are very toxic. Up until now, those types were never friends of mine so I didn’t really have to put up with it. Don’t get me wrong, everyone likes to vent every now and then about the job. All of us in the District every once in awhile will call each other up to vent about the crazy shit our company or boss does sometimes, but its not ALL.THE.TIME and its not really toxic convos about how our boss is scum and the job is scum. its just plain ole venting. But i find even then we help each other out with figuring out how to overcome the problem.

        With my friend its non stop negativity. i am just very vulnerable right now and I don’t need that kind of negativity although I know she is a good person and all.

        You are right, there are just some jobs that are not cut out for people and she realizes this and has been looking for a job more to her liking (and out of sales) but OK just do it and stop the complaining!

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  10. Sophia
    Mar 01, 2012 @ 20:14:17

    Neecy, I hear you. You seem to be kind-hearted and prone to avoiding confrontations, just like me.
    I wouldn’t advise you to jettison the relationship just yet. It seems to me people are all too quick to ditch one another and it bothers me to hear of relationships treated like disposable commodities.
    If you like this woman in every other capacity, and she has proven to be a good friend outside of the work environment then I would focus on changing the topic each time she brings up your mutual boss. If she is sensitive to social cues, she would pick up that this is a topic you are not comfortable discussing. If she persists, then state that you’d prefer to not talk shop when you’re with her. If she still persists, then I’d not answer the phone for a while or at least cut the conversations short. I hope she gets it by that point.

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    • Neecy
      Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:49:43

      It seems to me people are all too quick to ditch one another and it bothers me to hear of relationships treated like disposable commodities.

      HEY GIRL!!! Glad to see you back, we needed a little more estrogen here 😉 Plus now N/A has a couple of us to play with – haha!

      I used to feel that way but honestly I feel that if someone is supposed to be in your life or space they will remain there. I have actually flat out told her the last few times that i am trying to take a positive approach to things in my life and i don’t want to wallow in negativity. You know what she says? “Oh yeah well I get to that point to, but just like me we always find ourselves back to it”. instead of just saying “you’re right let’s try to stay positive” she makes an EXCUSE for being negative. i can’t take it anymore.

      All others will drop off like flies if it’s not meant to be. In fact, I feel the opposite of what you said. i feel too many people hold onto failing relationships trying to make friendships or relationships work that are not really doing anything for them or enhancing their lives in some way. A lot of people feel obligated to try to make obvious bad relationships work for the sake of making them work and all it does is create more draining, more drama and more negativity in their lives.

      I have gotten to a point in my life where I feel if someone is not enhancing my life and I am not enhancing theirs in any way, then we don’t need to be. I also am not chasing people or begging people to change or be a certain way. I guess just at this age I have zero tolerance for trying to make people into the way i need them to be. When i speak of enhancing each other’s lives in some way It could be something as simple as being positive, or having a drama free relationship, or always having encouraging words for each other. I find people who aren’t doing that in my life shouldn’t be there. With this current friend I am coming to the conclusion that although she does have good qualities the negativity is drowning them out. And the fact my boss clearly pointed this out (and he doesn’t even know we are friendly out of work) says that her behavior shines through on everyone.

      There is a new girl in our district who is kicking ass with everything. I room with her when we have travel away for business and YES she is stressed out but she tells me every morning what she has done since starting the job is she says POSITIVE things about how the day is going to go. And you know what, when I look at her accomplishments in just under ONE YEAR she is killing it and has been always at the top of every list for exceeding goals. And I now see that it’s her positive reinforcements daily that has helped her – she even shared this with the district when people asked her what she was doing to do so well. THAT is the kind of person i need to be interacting with. Not someone telling me that “soon as your numbers fall you’re going to be a target”. Al that does is create more stress for me that i don’t even need right now, b/c my numbers have been consistently high since I have been on this job over 4 years.

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  11. MK
    Mar 02, 2012 @ 02:29:17

    EVERY.SINGLE. CONVO we have is about the job and the boss and how it’s making her life miserable.

    To me this was the key decider. This person is an associate of convenience not a true friend. If its all work all the time how can you call it a friendship especially if the person is only a toxic taker vs. seeking balanced ties with you.

    How does she expect her negativity to help either her or you. She is toxic as the others (besides Sophia) have said.
    If you want to salvage it give her one chance by letting her know you value your ties but don’t want to talk about work or the boss anymore. If she can’t keep to that FIRE HER.

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    • Neecy
      Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:52:24

      Thank you guys for defining the word – toxic and that is exactly what she is right now. I am going to give her one last chance and I am going to be firm and very clear that I no longer want to discuss the job or our boss and that she needs to put her energies into finding another job and doing what she needs to do right now to keep the boss off her back. After that if she continues I’m just not going to answer her calls anymore. I can’t deal witht eh negativity anymore – it’s really draining.

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  12. Omerta327
    Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:26:49

    I agree with the others, Neecy. This is a good time to refer to Robert Greene’s 48 Laws of Power.

    Law 10

    Infection: Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky

    You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease. You may feel you are helping the drowning man but you are only precipitating your own disaster. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it on you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead.

    I actually learned this lesson long before I ever read 48 Laws, but I learned it inversely – if you want to be happy in life, you need to surround yourself with positive people. People that energize you and inspire you to be better. Not people who suck life and energy out of you.

    If you’ve talked to your pal before about her pissing and moaning about work and it hasn’t changed, then it’s not going to. Drop her like a bad habit. Your boss was wise to steer you away from mentoring her. Don’t let her bullsh!t rub off on you.

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    • Neecy
      Mar 02, 2012 @ 07:58:50

      This is soooo true Omerta and thank you for posting that quote from the book. I am going to do my next post on something like this relating to walking away from toxic people nad relationships.

      I find that I am generally a happy go lucky person although i have my down times. But usually when I have my down times, I try to keep to myself as to not be a Debbie Downer on everyone else. Then when I perk back up I start to reach out to people again.

      I have a g/f who is always so poisitive and iuplifting I really enjoy talkign with her. We don’t talk like everyday but we talk often and its always about fun and good stuff. That is not to say that everything is alway speachy keen and we don’t have serious discussions. but even when the discussion is serious, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel conclusion which is important.

      I believe friends are supposed to make you feel good and you are supposed to make them feel good and enjoy being with and around you.

      I had started ot feel guilty as i started thinking more and more about ditching the relationship b/c I have mentioned several times that she needs to be more positive and that I am trying to be a more positive person in my life. Still she comes up with excuses for why she has to be negative (the same thing she does with my boss) and honestly people get tired of hearing excuses for why a person can’t get their shit straight.

      For the past couple of months i was feeding that negativity by listening and agreeing and I’m done. Not gonna be that person or ear anymore b/c all it is doing is making more more paranoid about stuff I have no reason to be paranoid about. i think my boss is a decent person and I have a great relationship with him, but he’s a freakin MANAGER he has to do his job and if someone is not up to par its his job to be on thier back about it. Its as simple as that.

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