Multi-culturalism, Immigration – What’s the problem?

What say you on this matter?

 

It seems multiculturalism / Immigration these days is constantly taking hits by the race puritist obsessors and those who feel that multi-culturalism is ruining their race and culture.

 

I get it. There are certain things within culture/race that people rightfully so want to hang onto. A lot of time you have to read between the grey area when dealing with people who are constantly putting down multi-culturalism and immigration.

 

I find you have the people who simply believe they are superior by race and they want to only be around others like themselves. And then those who actually look at it from a more logical non subjective stand point and may be questionable against it b/c of how policies and such on immigration and multi-culturalism have HURT the actual economy, citizens and such.

 

IMO the problem with multi-culturalism & immigration is *NOT* multi-culturalism and immigration in and of itself, its the way its managed and handled within certain countries and societies.

 

The fact is immigration (illegal) only benefits elite. When immigration is carefully handled as it was in the early days when America was flooded with all kinds of immigrants from all over the world it benefits the country and the people. The days of the latter immigration are far gone and now we are dealing with a country in which the elite only care about lining their pockets, damn the working class citizens with whom illegal immigration harms more than anything.

 

Most of the time when people speak against multiculturalism and/or immigration, they are speaking in which the way the west handles it.

 

I am for multiculturalism & immigration but i will say that I believe America doesn’t handle it in a way that is beneficial to its citizens.

 

I believe that every country has a right to IMPLEMENT and create ways in which they EXPECT & will allow outsiders to come in and live, work and be apart of that culture and country.  This cannot happen successfully if the country is lax in upholding this like the West.

 

This also does not mean that those who come into another country have to completely forsake their cultural roots, but nothing gets under my skin more than people who come to America or any other country and expects America to conform to *THEIR* cultural ways of doing/life and language. That’s just beyond narcissistic and really ballsy.

 

You cannot go to many of these other countries others come from and DEMAND that, that country conform to your cultural ideals. If this is the case, why not stay in your own country where its second nature to uphold your cultural norms?

 

Next. When a country takes cares of its illegals and immigrants better than they take care of their own citizens – YES you will receive pushback from a lot of the citizens who feel their needs and rights are being pushed aside.

 

OK so what is my point? I don’t really care to go into great depth about this, but really I’m interested in hearing from others here (who can actually have intelligent discussions without bias) on their thoughts.

 

I am especially curious to see where a lot of progressive minded Black women stand on this.

 

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15 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Robynne
    May 21, 2013 @ 16:14:43

    Let me put it this way – if you can’t come to the US via a land border (illegally), you have to jump through hoops to stay here. Trust me, I know. I jumped (and am still jumping…) through those hoops, lol. US immigration laws and regulations are based on 2 official policies (1) family unification (spouses, children, fiance`s), and (2) bolstering its position as number 1 by admitting the bright and motivated from other countries – I call this the H-1B visa track, which quite a few of my peers who’ve remained stateside made use of. This is a strong card especially if you have advanced degrees in the hard sciences and engineering – or in any other field that propels the development and advancement of technology. Then there is the third, more sinister track – come here illegally (or legally!) stick around long enough for the amnesty that the US government grants once every 10 years or so.

    As to your other point – immigrants going to a foreign country and demanding that their soon to be new home replicate the structures, practices, norms and ideas that exist in their birth country – I find this mindset to be ridiculous. The US government and its citizens are obligated to obey the constitution and not enact laws or practices that subjugate others, but are not under any obligation to bend over backwards to accommodate the needs of newcomers. If you plan to move to another country, you must plan to assimilate to some degree. You can join cultural organizations so that you can interact with others from your home country and immerse yourself in the conversations, practices, ideas (and food 🙂 ) of your birth country, but it is ridiculous to expect this to be reflected at the macro level, lol.

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    • neurochick
      May 22, 2013 @ 11:00:39

      I really agree with you. I work in an institution and if it were not for immigrants, there would be almost no one to do scientific research. Let me put it this way, I put a job ad in Science Magazine and 75% of the CV’s come from China, 20% come from India and the other 5% from Eastern Europe, African countries and maybe some folks in North America.

      So take what you want from that.

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      • Neecy
        Jun 03, 2013 @ 21:15:59

        Immigrants who are bringing something to the table are one thing. I think a lot of foreigners who come from places like India and China etc., are immigrants but they are bringing something to the country with their skills and expertise. But illegals who come drain the country and its citizens of all the resources that were created and built by the very latter.

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    • Neecy
      Jun 03, 2013 @ 21:14:10

      So bascically tyhe illegals have a better chance and opportunity than the actual people who go through the legal measures (and are brininging something to the table)? Not surprising how ass backwards that is.

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  2. Shaylah
    May 21, 2013 @ 18:41:28

    That is like going to a stranger house and I walking talking about I’m taking over.
    Never mind it is not my house in the first place. It was a program on tv or the news how so many illegal immigrants was getting a college education. Some have cars and no drivers license, but they get into an accident and some else foots the bill.
    Are the rules for all or only a select few?

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  3. Mike
    May 22, 2013 @ 04:45:14

    I find the current immigration debate perplexing.

    We still have not recovered from the recession; unemployment is still very high, so… let’s add 11 million new unskilled workers to the economy? I’m not sure what sense that’s supposed to make. I think from a purely economic and fiscal point of view, it’s a bad deal. That many new legal workers will drive down wage rates for the working class, particularly those with the fewest skills, and the cost to our entitlement programs is 6.5 trillion over the next 50 years; and those programs were already in a lot of trouble.

    If you own a large company that employs a lot of low skilled, low wage workers, like Wal-Mart, it’s a great deal. If you’re rich and have maids, nannies, and gardeners, it’s a great deal. Almost everyone else gets screwed out of this though.

    As far as multiculturalism goes, there was a time when we had an expectation that new immigrants would assimilate and become Americans. That’s no longer the case. If we’re inviting new immigrants to come here, but don’t bother assimilating and keep your own culture and language, then eventually, we are going to have to assimilate to them.

    Immigration could really be beneficial to this country again, as it was in the past, but right now it’s set up to benefit a select few in this country and punish everyone else.

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    • Neecy
      Jun 03, 2013 @ 21:19:01

      I agree Mike. And that is why I think immigration gets such a bad name. At one point in American history immigration was a wonderful thing.

      Now it seems like it is only set up to benefit a few.

      Now somehow multi-culturalism gets mixed in with immigration and I think the two are complete seperate issues.

      I think multi-culturalism is good but I still believe that if you come to a country to have to assimilate many of the core values and prinicples out of respect. A lot of times many come from other countries and put down the very country and culture they have escaped to from their own countries and expect America to change its policies and views to accomodate them.

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  4. Sharon H
    May 23, 2013 @ 15:31:46

    If I knew how expensive and ridiculous US immigration was..I would be illegal

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  5. Mark Slater
    May 23, 2013 @ 23:06:07

    “It seems multiculturalism / Immigration these days is constantly taking hits by the race puritist obsessors and those who feel that multi-culturalism is ruining their race and culture.”

    Tsk, tsk. Oh, Neecy, you’ve been down at Chateau Heartiste again, haven’t you?

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  6. Omerta327
    May 26, 2013 @ 23:05:07

    Happy Memorial Day, everyone.

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  7. thebigpappy
    Jun 04, 2013 @ 10:04:48

    Problem is, the welcoming culture is falling apart and has lost a lot of strength, so the immigrants simply don’t convert to it. When I look at my elders, I’m not proud, and I don’t look up to becoming like them.

    When I meet FOBs I tell them stay the way you are, I like you that way. I mean, you’re generous, respectful, polite, and honest… don’t become selfish and hypocrite and don’t start thinking Sex and the city is the way to go.

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