I Felt some type of way…..

Before I get started – Just wann a say RIP Maya Angelou!! Truly a brave and talented woman who will be missed!

 

—————————————————————————————————————

 

I was driving down the street in Studio City. Its a pretty good middle upper city with A LOT of traffic on this particular one street. The traffic tends to back up pretty badly, thus giving you time to take in all of your surroundings. Studio City is a nice area with lots of little boutiquey restaurants and stores, yoga and pilate studios etc.

 

So as I am at the stop light I look over at the bus stop and I see this BIG ASSED poster advertisement for a TV show called “Orange is the new Black” staring me and everyone else in traffic in the face.

 

979b2290-dcfd-11e3-b1fe-41c4be32af90_V0915_OITNB-S2_BusShelter_67x45_5_Cemusa_NY13_Crazy-Eyes

 

I swear on my LIFE this poster was on the bus stop in STUDIO CITY of all places in one of the busiest highly traffic areas.

 

Yes I felt some type of way. But what was it?

 

I was sad. I was mad. I was embarrassed. I was ashamed. I was not shocked but shocked at the same time. I was SAD….then I was MAD again, cause at some point she said “SURE!!”.

 

Then I asked myself – should I be feeling these things? Am I overreacting? Is this just CIONCIDENCE?   Because its just… I can’t explain it.

 

So I came home to look up the poster on google to share with you what I saw. And I came across the cast photo and this was what i saw:

 

10155934_10152233336468768_1083281578680428567_n

 

— Yes that one Black girl at the top has tampons used as curlers in her hair

 

— Yes the Black woman on the far bottom right has a maxi pad covering her eye.

 

— Yes the White girls *MANAGED* to look pretty decent and attractive while everybody else kinds didn’t *MANAGE* to do that.

 

At what point do you just turn down a job? Or do you just not turn down a job? Or do you just say I am not representative of my gender and race so I’m doing me? Or do I, Neecy, A Black woman disconnect from this image and not take it personally?

 

Can this be done? I dunno. Cause I was feeling some sort of way about that BIG BRIGHT poster of that Black woman at the Bus stop.

And then when I thought I had seen the worse of it; I discovered THIS:

 

julianne-hough-dresses-up-in-black-face-orange-is-the-new-black-halloween-the-jasmine-brand

*SIGH*

(Yes that is Julianne Hough of Dancing With The Stars apparently on Halloween)

— Uhm there were like TWO other White girls she could have dressed up as, but….

 

I’m going to stick the shiv in just a little deeper just in case you’re like “NAH!! That’s just a coincidence!”

 

tumblr_n4jrl4tvR61qd4rf5o1_500 680x478

 

Are y’all seeing what I’m seeing? I’m not seeing that coincidence thingy some of y’all are probably saying is happening.

 

I mean are we that THREATENING they gotta just do us like that???

 

I don’t understand. I mean shouldn’t Asian women be getting this brundt since they are the biggest threat right now?

 

NO?

 

The Revolution *IS* being televised ladies.  Turn off your TV BW cause this stuff will raise your blood pressure!

Advertisements

125 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Neecy
    May 28, 2014 @ 18:11:18

    In the spirit of action and doing something, I have finally bought a camera (YAY!!!) A pretty good one too.

    Ladies we gotta overtake Youtube with our stuff and programming that we wanna see. I’m trying to figure out if I want to do a reality show, documentary of the Black female experience SOMETHING to get going!

    Please let me know what you’d like to see in terms of programming on You tube, because I am serious.

    I’m trying to get a reality show premise of 4-5 young attractive Black women and still figuring out how i want to present it.

    The good thing is I live in LA so I know once I am ready to go I can find all kinds of attractive BW for my stuff.

    But the documentary thing I don’t want to do in L.A. I actually want to travel throughout the USA and do it.

    I have been praying and asking God to help me get and pull this together because I truly believe I was put on this earth to do something big.

    Prayers for Neecy please!!!!

    Like

    Reply

    • Tiffany
      Jul 15, 2014 @ 21:40:09

      Hey lady 🙂

      You should come to vegas and come hang with my sister and me..

      We talk about stuff all the time. It makes me sad that my future daughters only have Tiana to look up to…

      Like

      Reply

    • Jessica C.
      Aug 03, 2014 @ 10:56:42

      Hi Neecy,

      I have been a lurker on your website for some time. And I want to thank you for all the articles you have written on BW beauty.
      Now is time for me to reciprocate by helping you (hopefully) with your You Tube endeavor.

      Thinking of mainstream show who include AABW positively:
      1) story of 2 best friends (female; 1 white, 1 AA) who also happen to be flatmates. They have gone to college together and now have been working for 2/3 years. The show focuses on their loves lives (kind of coming of age thing)
      White BFF has a cute brother who is a womanizer (think Hugh Grant in two weeks notice).
      White BFF is business savvy but love naive. She always associates with jerks(a kind of Tinkerbell).
      AA BFF is business savvy but love avoidant (Dr House cynical but not harsh speaking). She is an online psychological counsellor.

      The aim is to have both women happy eventually. White BFF learns to be love savvy while AA BFF learns to open up (her BFF’s brother).

      Of course, for show to be interesting, there should be multiple boyfriends to discuss
      And also both women would bond on criticising brother love choices. But brother should not be depicted in a male bashing way.

      Some scenes of them debriefing their day in their apartment.

      2) Check this book for inspiration : Marshmallows for Chocolate (by Dorothy Koomson)
      It does a good job at including a BW in a mainstream environment as a love prospect. Female BW rents a studio from a separated father of two. And gets involved with the children. Female BW has a good job (HR recruiter) and is best friend with her White boss.
      Landlord’s wife is depicted in a compassionate way. And BW reacts sensibly to love tango.
      The book fails though in that a lot of characters have issues (alcoholism, rampant depression, ptsd). So a good base but which needs to be lightened: less serious issues, less drama, more playfulness.

      3)The unwritten rules
      Good You Tube show. But still stuck in a “us (BW) versus them (mainstream America)” mindset.
      Compare with Ugly Betty (fashion challenged Latina with heart of gold who helps her WM boss. And eventually wins his heart). So something similar for BW would be a blessing.

      Hope this helps.
      Jessica

      Like

      Reply

    • Sarah_M
      Aug 15, 2014 @ 06:23:11

      Hi Neecy,

      You Tube is more influent than Hollywood nowadays according to Variety:
      http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/survey-youtube-stars-more-popular-than-mainstream-celebs-among-u-s-teens-1201275245/

      This is definitely the right time for Black women to change their image.
      A You Tube documentary (or tv show) would help in that your message won’t get distorted by medias.

      Good luck.
      May The Force be with you!

      Like

      Reply

  2. omerta327
    May 28, 2014 @ 21:02:16

    Yeah I saw that Maya Angelou died. RIP, prayers for her family and loved ones. She lived a long life and was an icon. And I never knew she was a singer back in the day.

    And prayers to you too, Neece. Come up to CT, We’ll have a drink or two and do a blogpost video together. Get a white man’s perspective on things.

    Alright, time for bed. I gotta go to the friggin’ DMV tomorrow. Yaaay!!

    Salud.

    Like

    Reply

    • omerta327
      May 28, 2014 @ 21:11:13

      Oh and as for Orange is the new black, I saw a commercial for that show for the first tome tonight. Those pics you posted, it’s almost like they intentionally tried to make that girl look like Ol’ Dirty Bastard.

      I don’t have Netflix, so I’ll prob never see it anyway.

      Like

      Reply

      • Neecy
        May 29, 2014 @ 08:48:06

        Oh what you are seeing is done on purpose. And yes they wanted her to look like old dirty bastard the rapper.

        notice how the ALL the black women look like some caricature while the two white women just look normal. Definitely not a coincidence and just more proof of what I and many Black women have been saying in terms of society attacking our womanhood in ways that make it nearly impossible for people to see us as true “WOMEN”.

        This also lends credence to why Black women are socially unpopular in the dating arena because these are the main images the masses (and men) are fed all day everyday.

        Of course there are mature males who can look past images and look at the individual, but we do not live in a perfect world and most men will and do have difficulty seeing beyond these images daily to see Black women as a collective in a positive feminine light.

        Like

        Reply

        • Sandra Harris
          Jul 15, 2014 @ 19:17:48

          Neecy I always love reading your articles, but now this has me feeling some kinda way…..America wants to give the illusion that black women look like this, when we don’t look like this, we are treated like we are invisible. I hate to say it but we must be a threat, we’re suppose to be undesirable, bottom of totem pole, and, yada, yada, yada……….there’s a vested interest in keeping images like this of black woman in the public eye

          Like

          Reply

    • Neecy
      May 29, 2014 @ 08:44:37

      ABSOLUTELY!!! Would love to meet up next time in back East. Probably sometime in November.

      Like

      Reply

  3. Mike Street Station
    May 29, 2014 @ 06:52:05

    I do have Netflix, and I watched and enjoyed the first season of Orange Is The New Black. The second season is getting ready to drop in a few weeks. I can see why, seeing these ads cold, it might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but the show, in my opinion, shows a positive view of women, and by the end of season one, was more about the supporting characters, including “Crazy Eyes.” It’s a great show I don’t think it’s what you seem to think it is.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      May 29, 2014 @ 08:53:25

      Well Mike thanks for chiming in and letting me know how the show is, it might be a good show, but I’ll pass. Lol

      The fact that they went out of their way to make the black women look like caricatures a while the White women look more than halfway decent says to me that shows like this are still very bent on keeping the image of black womanhood under the boot of White “beauty”.

      It’s like enough already!!

      It’s not,like black women have an abundance of other positive images we see on the regular to balance these kinds of images I posted out.

      Obviously it takes a Black woman to say yes and pose for pics like she has chosen, and I mainly hold Black women who do this accountable.

      That’s why I asked – is the a pout a person turns down a job? Lol I guess not!

      It’s like she went out of her way to make herself look crazy while everyone else on the picture (the last two) managed to look like normal women.

      Like

      Reply

      • BK Muse
        Aug 01, 2014 @ 02:08:38

        I agree with Mike in that the storytelling, writing and cast is STELLAR. At the same time, I DO notice that when it comes to audience response, the two most conventionally attractive black women characters (Poussey and Janae) are marginalized (except for the occasional, “they’re so pretty, I’d go gay for them” comment), while the heavyset / transgender / mentally ill black women characters are front and center. Although ALL the actresses bring compelling dimensions to their respective characters, I do notice this disturbing dynamic of who the general public gravitates to the most (the trans person and Crazy Eyes), and why (they’re easiest to caricaturize, even though the actresses themselves DO bring depth to their characters). The issues that you raise Neecy are bigger than any one actress’s portrayal.

        Janae’s back story is by FAR the most typical story of a black woman in jail (getting with a bummy dude and getting arrested as an accomplice to his crimes), yet she’s the least talked-about black female character. That’s not OITNB’s fault. The writing and the acting was phenomenal.

        But OITNB’s marketing team is smart enough to know what tropes/stereotypes the critical mass of their audience will immediately respond to (cute fish-out-of-water blonde, sassy funny dark girl, over the top etc.) so it’s all a subversive trojan horse to reel people in and get them to experience these really poignant stories.

        Like

        Reply

        • JaliliMaster
          Aug 06, 2014 @ 18:58:55

          Here’s my deal with situations like this. If it is such a problem, simple, don’t watch it! It obviously does not bother you that much seeing as you sit down every week to watch it. I cannot stand complainers who aren’t willing to act on it. The fact of the matter is that had the roles been reversed, and it was white females who were being portrayed this way, the show would not last a whole first season because the viewing figures would be way too low as those ww have the common damn sense to not put money into the pockets of those who are trying to make a profit off of putting the most debased, demeaning and dehumanising images of them out to the whole world.

          But they know that these women would happily support it if it is done against BW, and that there will be hordes of impossibly stupid BW who will still consume such trash, and even defend it. I cannot imagine anybody else, not even bm, coming to try to defend such things when it is them, their image, and those who look like them being publicly run-down for profit. Only dumb coloured girl creatures do that. I really cannot stand some of you people! It’s one thing when others (such as the poster, Mike), do it. He is a white male so is not the one suffering any of the negative consequences if such media, and therefore does not give a hoot. Do you think that for one second, if it had been people who look like him that were being portrayed this way, his response would be in any way similar to what he wrote here?! Truly, there are some coloured females out there who need a flipping brain transplant!

          Like

          Reply

    • simplyme
      Jun 28, 2014 @ 22:45:40

      @ Mike
      As a bw these advertisements are terrible. I like me to much to watch this mess.

      Like

      Reply

  4. foosrock!
    May 29, 2014 @ 08:57:16

    I don’t watch ESPECIALLY American shows. If I do watch tv, it’s either a German talk show on ZDF or ARD late at night to wind down or on a rainy Sunday, a documentary on BBC or ITV or some British channel, but going by these pics and the synopsis, the black actress fits the description of “Crazy eyes” and I think you’re being overly sensitive. Why should an actress turn down a role just because it makes “us” uncomfortable that her role will stereotype all black women?. The problem lies with the narrow minded masses (that include you and I), NOT with art!. I also want to vent a little by saying that I found the chair with the black woman, soooooo sexy and gorgeous, I didn’t notice who was sitting on it. I want to ask, if it was a black man or woman sitting on this chair, would you and your readership have been so offended?.
    Neecy, you need a vacation. Come and visit. A new perspective is needed…..ASAP!

    PS: If you do youtube, can you make it fun and flirty?. Thanks

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      May 31, 2014 @ 06:19:56

      It’s easy to tell someone they are being ‘oversensitive’ when its not you hat has to deal with the effects.

      As for the whole ‘ignorant masses and not art’ angle, why is this sort of nonsense only thrown when it is bw being attacked. When that vile chair incident happened, there were all the well if it was this or that (insert race/gender) on/under the chair would there be so much uproar. Well I will inform you that the original artwork involved a ww underneath the chair and there was A LOT of uproar from feminists about that!

      Like

      Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:20:24

      Hey Foos!

      Thanks for you input.

      You know we will have to agree to disagree. Also, I think your opinion on this matter does reside HEAVILY in the fact that you have lived in Europe for quite sometime where the images and love lives of Black women are completely different. From what i can gather, while Europe is no utopia on race relations, many BW who do venture there do fair pretty well with men of various races. That is most likely because these men are not presented the nasty stereotypical images of Black women that many American men of all races are exposed to.

      It is much easier for Black women to be taken as WOMEN and seen as such without the historical racial baggage that comes with us here in America vs. Europe.

      This is why I have always stated that young African American women NEED to explore other parts of the world outside of America so that they can truly see how revered we are in other parts of the world. Any Black women who bases her potential in America alone, will constantly find herself disappointed.

      America has very deep rooted issues with Black womanhood and has had these issues since Black women stepped foot on this country. These images have NEVER changed and seems to be circling around with the same affect – to keep WHite “Beauty” as the standard while having “punching bag” race (if you will) of women that all others can feel safe in assuming they will never be “beneath.

      These images are too frequent and abundant for one to not take notice and understand what is at play here.

      You see these images only reinforce what many African American women feel on the daily. The constant barrage of insults of not being taken seriously as women and potential mates in the dating arena. And when any woman of any race is not being seen as prime for potential mates, it hurts out future as possible mothers, wives and just being seen as women in general.

      When a group os not given the courtesy of being seen as women in a society, that group will suffer in a number of ways. And all of the courtesies, concessions, conveinences (thanks Halima for the 3 C’s) afforded to all other women, many Black women will not see.

      Now I clearly understand the correlation to why Black women are so unpopular in American society when it comes to marriage and being seen as good potential mates for men of any race. Is there any surprise why dating site study after study always points out how Black women are the least responded to and desired?! LOL!

      When we continue to perpetuate these nasty degrading unfeminine stereotypes of ourselves it not only affects the type of Black women in these images, but the BW who also do not fit them as well as many men.

      Men like to be with women who are desirable and desired. MOST men will avoid women based on perceptions and stereotypes. Its not fair but its reality and many American men see these images of Black women too regularly for them to see us as serious potential mates that they can marry and pro create with.

      That poster was *STRATEGICALLY* placed. It was not in some ghetto area. It was in an upper WHite, diverse community ON PURPOSE.

      And yes, I think American Black women owe it to ourselves to DO BETTER FOR OURSELVES, by turning down degrading roles that continue to push our womanhood int he gutter.

      Like

      Reply

    • simplyme
      Jun 28, 2014 @ 22:50:58

      Who are you to say a bw is being too sensitive? We have every right to say we do not like the way those bw are being viewed. Money should not always be the reason a person takes an acting job. End of discussion.

      Like

      Reply

  5. foosrock!
    May 29, 2014 @ 09:15:16

    It’s not,like black women have an abundance of other positive images we see on the regular to balance these kinds of images I posted out

    I understand this point, BUT, believe strongly, it’s all about ONE diversifying ONE’S environment (leave the fucking USofA!) in order to HELP one to stay positive, feminine and true to self. We humans need stereotypes. ALL OF US!. It happens here too, but what’s good for me personally, is integration. Most Swiss neighbourhoods are so integrated, that the Swiss get to meet, know others who don’t look/speak/act like them and in my opinion this has led them to be ways more diverse in their thought processes as Americans, even though they are a nation of farmers. I’m afraid, diversity is NOT an American word anymore, more “self segregation”. Hence why, I surmise, such billboards (Orange whateverthefuckisthenewwhateverthefuck) produce a cringe and sigh, no?.

    Like

    Reply

    • onthewaydown
      May 30, 2014 @ 07:25:05

      “Most Swiss neighbourhoods are so integrated, that the Swiss get to meet, know others who don’t look/speak/act like them and in my opinion this has led them to be ways more diverse in their thought processes as Americans, even though they are a nation of farmers. I’m afraid, diversity is NOT an American word anymore, more “self segregation”. Hence why, I surmise, such billboards (Orange whateverthefuckisthenewwhateverthefuck) produce a cringe and sigh, no?.”

      You actually make great points regarding diversity in the USA. I live in an area that is multicultural yet quite segregated. You see people of other races maybe at the grocery store and at work, but people keep their social circles and schools, etc. pretty much the same race, sometimes even ethnic group. I think the reason the stereotypes hurt us more over here is that people aren’t regularly exposed to people of other races/cultures on a deeper level, so they make assumptions based on what they see in the media.

      Like

      Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      May 31, 2014 @ 06:32:31

      Ok I’m sorry Foosrock but i call garbage on your comment. It is either based in ignorance or you are flat out lying.

      ‘Sweden is integrated’? huh? I live in England and Europeans need to stop these lies we tell about how great and racially integrated and non-discriminatory our societies are.

      Sweden riots spread beyond Stockholm despite extra police (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22656657)

      Stockholm riots throw spotlight on Swedish inequality (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22650267)

      Stockholm riots leave Sweden’s dreams of perfect society up in smoke (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10080320/Stockholm-riots-leave-Swedens-dreams-of-perfect-society-up-in-smoke.html)

      May I add also that in the elections last week several European countries elected far-right groups and in Sweden, the far-right Sweden Democrats entered parliament for the first time.

      Like

      Reply

      • foosrock!
        Jun 01, 2014 @ 03:18:01

        I live in Switzerland, darling, NOT Sweden…..:-)

        Like

        Reply

        • Karen
          Jun 01, 2014 @ 07:36:22

          Just for the record, many European countries have issues with racism, including Switzerland:

          http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/08/09/switzerland-passes-racial-apartheid-laws/

          http://www.euronews.com/2014/05/06/racism-in-europe-at-its-worst-since-the-1980s—claim/

          As economic conditions continue to deteriorate in many parts of Europe, history has shown repeatedly that scapegoats will be found and that is usually whatever minority population in residence that is perceived to be taking “handouts” from the host country.

          Like

          Reply

          • foosrock!
            Jun 01, 2014 @ 11:53:26

            What a horribly misleading article about Switzerland. I can assure you, Karen, that the “Swiss government” does not pass laws, rather it’s citizens, that includes me, vote on referendums that first need to collect the required amount of signatures BEFORE it can be place to vote on. We’re a small, in my opinion, ways too liberal nation, full of refugees that bite the hand that feed them. That means, we’re a haven for so called political refugees who abuse our system and expect to be rewarded, which they once were, in the form of guilt tripping liberals. Well yes, times are dire, money’s running out (we’re bankrolling the USofA’s bankruptcy http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-20/credit-suisse-rises-as-u-s-guilty-plea-ends-3-year-probe.html) and humans are wont to try to protect their wealth, ie, future for their children. To liken this to apartheid is over the top and just goes to show what craftly written articles can do to guide the sheep.

            Oh well. I honestly just wanted to add my opinion from experience and perhaps wisdom to the burden of having a chip on the shoulder, but what do I know!?.

            Like

            Reply

            • Karen
              Jun 01, 2014 @ 15:19:02

              I see no disagreement in that “political refugees” are perceived to be a minority population that abuses the system via handouts. The fact that many abuse the system is not in dispute however, the problem lies in that who knows which person is a political refugee versus a hard-working immigrant by looking at them. Most do not and will discriminate first and ask questions later.
              My point is that BW who chose to live in other countries need to be aware of the various dynamics and avoid any illusions otherwise they could be in for a rude awakening.
              As for your statement of “…chip on the shoulder” (a bit of projecting one’s own issues perhaps?), it is always interesting to witness how quickly a debate of ideas results in personal attacks. You have no idea where I live so to assume that I have no experience living outside of the U.S. is exactly that an assumption :-).

              Like

              Reply

              • foosrock!
                Jun 01, 2014 @ 23:22:28

                Not a personal attack, Karen. At all. Just my observation. I will continue though to read and observe, as, like I’ve stated, I can understand the sentiment expressed here, but thought I could add my opinion. No need for you to take it personally. 🙂
                I’ve been living in Switzerland for 30+ years. Know many many many black women who came here as immigrants, or married a Swiss or for the many IT jobs. They’ve never let fear hold them back and enjoy living here more so than their own countries of birth. Not all, mind, that would be utopia, but many. So carrying BW who chose to live in other countries need to be aware of the various dynamics and avoid any illusions otherwise they could be in for a rude awakening. is for my interpretation a chip on the shoulder attitude to have. I agree too, projection is not a healthy dose to share out. Cheers!

                Like

                Reply

                • Karen
                  Jun 02, 2014 @ 01:06:22

                  Good for your and those ladies. Interesting that you use the word fear, as nothing I stated has anything to do with fear. It has to do with making informed decisions about where one chooses to live (i.e., doing the research). The world is not a perfect place however, that does not mean that there are not opportunities. I will leave you with your interpretation and your “chip”, as I have none. I only want what is best for AA BW to succeed and thrive. All the best to you and yours.

                  Like

                  Reply

              • Neecy
                Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:32:32

                Karen you make a good point. African American women need to be aware that the grass may not *ALWAYS* be greener, just different.

                But what is wrong with AA women wanting to fix what is wrong in our own country so that it doesn’t spread?

                AA women owe it to ourselves to fix our plight in America because this is home for us.

                America while has some serious anti-Black woman issues, is also one of the better places for AA women to take control of our images and destiny.

                There is nothing stopping us from creating our own media and images to counteract that. America is a great place for this.

                Like

                Reply

                • Karen
                  Jun 03, 2014 @ 02:31:48

                  Neecy, the only way that the situation can/will be fixed is when more AA BW align themselves with alpha males (re: this post from Khadija –> http://sojournerspassport.com/if-you-really-want-to-help-black-girls-marry-one-of-this-planets-dominant-alpha-men/).

                  We live in a patriarchal world and women who have strategic alliances with powerful men who do the 4 Ps (Provide, protect, produce and problem-solve) will ensure that their women and children are protected. I believe when AA BW reach a critical mass of such alliances, their men will ensure that this mess stops.

                  We cannot do it alone as the “DEAD BC” has proven. As black males checked out (as they have not earned the right to be called men due to their consistent behavior of not doing the 4 Ps) of doing what they should to support their communities by being fathers, husbands and protector/providers, the results have been catastrophic.

                  In a parallel, producing our own media will also provide other avenues to “present our image”.

                  Like

                  Reply

                  • Neecy
                    Jun 03, 2014 @ 06:07:07

                    I agree with that, however I’m of the belief that there is a correlation to BWs potential to land Alpha mates and the public social image of black women.

                    I could be wrong! But I personally believe that BW will not have much success in the dating arena until we take action and improve our public image as women.

                    As I stated there are men who can look past these things and see a BW as an individual, I’m just not do sure enough of them ca or will.

                    Plus when BW sit back and do nothing to TRY to publicly and socially change these images, it makes it look like we must agree with them.

                    So for me, I feel if BW want better opportunities to date BW have yo put in the work to create much more positive affirmations of who we are as women.

                    Whether some agree that public and social images affect a group in certain ways, BW gave a serious image problem that will hinder us greatly in the love dept. until we fix it or balance these images out with more positive ones.

                    Like

                    Reply

                    • Karen
                      Jun 03, 2014 @ 06:50:05

                      The reality is that due to the unique set of historical circumstances plus serious indoctrination of AA BW, all too many are agents of their own destruction. Many will not be saved.

                      I agree with you that BW need to do more but I also see how Asian women used “stealth” to change their image which was not a good one due to WWI, Korean War and the Vietnam war. They “infiltrated” one marriage at a time.

                      The rest of us, need to vote with our wallets to only support positive images, produce our own media and align with alpha males. All tactics must be used.

                      Our personal presentation and manners will also go a long way too. Just look at the pictures of AA BW from the 40’s through the 60’s, these ladies were the epitome of style and elegance in a much harsher time than today. We, ladies, need to rediscover this because when we are “at our best”, we light up a room and draw positive attention to ourselves. Self-presentation and working on self, will also drop many barriers.

                      Like

            • simplyme
              Jun 28, 2014 @ 22:58:37

              For the most part, every time there is a problem in the world the USA is there lending a helping hand. Someone needs to pay for those services.

              Like

              Reply

        • FoxyCleopatra
          Jun 03, 2014 @ 14:35:24

          My bad Foosrock, when I read ‘Swiss’ for some reason, my head translated it as Sweden not Swittzerland, however my point still stands. Trust me, a lot of minorities living in Switzerland would not describe it the way you do. Class/socio-economic background plays a much bigger part on the experience of minorities. I have been blessed to have the lifestyle my parents have given me, but I’m not too naive to realise this.

          Like

          Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:28:10

      @ FOOS

      We can agree that American Black women NEED to travel outside the USA and expand our horizons. However, that doesn’t mean that we cannot fix the issues here that we are dealing with because we OWE it to ourselves as Black women to take control of our womanhood and images.

      Black American women have NEVER had control of how we truly are as women. American society has always felt comfy in attributing certain nasty and ugly stereotypes to Black women to keep WHITE WOMEN and allotters on a higher pedestal.

      Even in DIVERSE setting Black women still suffer with being labeled with these stereotypes. So diversity isn’t simply the issue because a lot of American BW do not fit these stereotypes and work with and around many different cultures and races daily, YET people seem to still attribute the worse stereotypes to Black womanhood.

      For God’s sakes look at all the horrible criticisms Michelle Obama is met with all day everyday by Americans! LOL Sh wis about as non stereotypical of a BW that one can get and still cannot seem toescape the labels of being “angry” “mean” having a bad attitude etc.

      You see someone always needs someone beneath them. By American society and media using Black women as the welcome/doormat to unfemininity, all other races of women can do any and everything and still be “above” Black women.

      When Black women play into this they are working against their own best interests.

      Like

      Reply

  6. BrownSmiles
    May 29, 2014 @ 11:16:09

    Mike I’m not even going to go in depth with how your very statement actually backs up what Neecy wrote in her post and how these type of depictions regarding BW are normalized to the point that you would
    view its positive.
    Keep in mind, we’re not talking about women, we’re focusing on BW.
    Some of my co workers were raving about the show, none were Black. U barely got through the first episode realizing right away why they thought it was so good.
    Ugh!
    I will absolutely say a prayer for you and wish you well/support you in your ventures. We need it!

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:39:46

      THANKS BrownSmiles!

      Girl if you google the show you see even more unappealing stills (from the show) of this Crazy eyes person.

      Black women HAVE no other options at this point than to start taking our destiny as women into our own hands.

      We cannot change mainstream media, but believe me many things that have started off small and independent have contributed to bigger change. And this is what BW will have to do.

      Too many people benefit off the current images of Black women to do any thing about it.

      Like

      Reply

    • Mike Street Station
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 06:54:58

      Hi BrownSmiles. I appreciate your response, but I think you, just like Neecy, are drawing judgments on the show based on very little information. Neecy saw a billboard advertising the show and she immediately drew conclusions, and you, if I understood correctly, drew conclusions after watching one episode.

      The show POV starts with the upper class white woman, that’s the point. The first few episodes when she goes into prison she is frightened by all of these other prisoners; they are a different class and race from her and she can’t relate to them at all. Gradually, however, she does make friends with them and we see them in a different light. We see them not as scary prisoners but just exactly like her, women who ended up where they are through a series of bad choices. That’s why I said in my original comment that the show evolves to being more about all of the other characters.

      Neecy made a following comment in a reply to someone else that her first impression when she was the billboard of Crazy Eyes was of Buckwheat. Crazy Eyes isn’t Buckwheat. Look, prejudge the show if you want, I don’t really have any stake in it, I’m not getting residuals, but I think your hasty judgments are incorrect, and looking at the comments on this thread it seems that’s typical of everyone with a bad opinion of the show, they never watched it.

      Like

      Reply

      • Karen
        Jun 03, 2014 @ 07:26:47

        Yes, we are judging and have every right to do so. We do not have the luxury that WW have to be presented in the media with all our various facets. We are not regularly shown as loving, caring wives, mothers, girlfriends or daughters. Name multiple major movies or series (past or present) over the last 50 years that regularly had the lead characters as completely normal everyday AA BW experiencing the normal life experiences that is a given for WW actresses. No, our lot is to be “other”, “deviant” or “downtrodden” from normal experiences.

        Why could they not have had the role of the upper class woman be played by a BW (we do exist by the way) and the other characters with tampons and maxi pads in their hair be played by white actresses?(rhetorical question). We know why because WW and WM would not have allowed it.

        In addition, we are teachers, doctors, engineers, IT specialists, singers, ballet dancers, accomplished musicians, business owners and more and we have been so since we were first able to obtain education and professional advancement, yet according to Hollyweird, we do not exist.

        Therefore, every negative image reinforces a negative stereotype. These stereotypes are not new and go back to minstrel days as Khadija has reference. I have no reason to view any show or support any actress that reinforces negative stereotypes.

        Like

        Reply

        • Mike Street Station
          Jun 04, 2014 @ 07:06:31

          Hi Karen. WW don’t have as much power as you seem to think since you don’t see how those WW secondary characters are portrayed on the show. It’s one thing to be concerned with image, but I think it’s another on insisting on sterilizing the image. The show takes place in a prison. Would you prefer if the show was done 1950’s style and had no WOC at all in the show?

          Of course BW are teachers, doctors, engineers, IT specialists, singers, ballet dancers, accomplished musicians, business owners and all sorts of professionals. But are you insisting that ONLY those images be shown on TV or movies?

          Like

          Reply

          • Karen
            Jun 04, 2014 @ 07:45:35

            Hi Karen. WW don’t have as much power as you seem to think since you don’t see how those WW secondary characters are portrayed on the show. It’s one thing to be concerned with image, but I think it’s another on insisting on sterilizing the image. The show takes place in a prison. Would you prefer if the show was done 1950′s style and had no WOC at all in the show?

            Of course BW are teachers, doctors, engineers, IT specialists, singers, ballet dancers, accomplished musicians, business owners and all sorts of professionals. But are you insisting that ONLY those images be shown on TV or movies?

            Oh really?! WW do not have as much power? Not sure what “alternate universe” you live in but given that you are not an AA BW, how could you possibly know how WW demonstrate their power on a daily basis to ensure their position. I am insisting that ANY image other than the negative minstrel type images are missing. Name me AA BW actress(es) that are getting the Meryl Streep, Julia Roberts, Nicole Kidman types of roles (with variety and depth)….crickets.

            An accurate depiction of the 1950’s would have AA BW in it, however that is a perfect example of the power of WM and WW that would purposely have movies without us. That same power ensures a narrative in American history where the only achievements are from the majority population and we are effectively invisible although we have been here hundreds of years and have made major contributions to this country.

            The only way AA BW will have a chance is again to close their wallets, produce/support media that uplifts and put the rest on “permanent ignore”.

            You will never convince me to be an agent in my own destruction and supporting such minstrel type characters or shows is exactly that.

            Like

            Reply

            • Neecy
              Jun 04, 2014 @ 09:47:39

              @ KAREN

              See what i mean? people just feel so darn comfy in telling BW we are carzy and overreacting. LOL

              The fcat is when someone places a public ad be it a damn product or tv show or whatever, they are giving people the right to make a judgement base don the ad because they want people to support it. ADS give people the pre judgement to whether we want to buy a product or support something.

              BASED ON THE ADS of this show, we have chosen to not support it based on how the Black women are presented as unfemine caricartures while the White women are “hooked up” to look like normal attractive women.

              It really pisses me off when people continue to BERATE a BW’s personal judegements against things that work against our best interests.

              I am so sick of people telling BW “you shouldn’t feel this way cause …….blah blah blah”

              I have EVERY RIGHT ot make judgements on this show BASED ON THE ADS the show put out to the public.

              Some people will see the ads and want to watch it, others will see it and want to pass.

              THAT IS OUR RIGHT and YES people make judgements everyday based on whether they will put thier monetary or resources or any support towards a product, etity, tv show et., based on PREVIEWS, ADS and such.

              Why Mike is acting obtuse about this is beyind me.

              Like

              Reply

          • Neecy
            Jun 04, 2014 @ 09:39:53

            MIKE MIKE MIKE!!! JUST STOP PLEASE!

            Why do you insist on telling us why we should not judge this show??!

            Please stop trying to convince us of such. Did you read my posts on this blog about how I feel about images of Black owmen? Did you read th epost? Its not about whether this is a good show or NOT!

            The point we are making is BASED ON THE IMAGES THAT THE SHOW HAS PORTRAYED in these ads WE REFUSE TO SUPPORT IT!

            I don’t care how good of a show it is! What we are saying is as Black women who are TIRED of our images being dragged through the mud, when I see an image that clearly objectifies BW in an unfeminine stereotypical matter I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING related to that image.

            The ads for the show depict NEGATIVE images of BW IMO and others here and therefore we are not going to “give this show a chance”.

            You are not even trying to understand where we are coming from. Do you undestand we don’t CARE about the show, its premise nad whether its good or not??!!!

            I don’t know how many times we have to keep saying over and over that we are TIRED of the overabundance of stereotypical images of Black owmen in the media.

            Key word OVERABUNDANCE. That means that we see enough of BW in negative stereotypical UNFEMININE roles and we don’t want to support yet another one.

            This show clearly is YET another slap in the face to American BW becaue (1) its the only mainstream show with as much BLACK FEMALE characters than any other TV show on television. YET it just so happens to be set in a prison.

            Please just stop with telling us we are judging the show. YEP, when you place ads for something you are allowing people to make judgements against it. THAT IS THE REASON FOR ADS! And based on these ads for the show WE HAVE MADE A DECISION IT IS NOT A SHOW THAT WE AS BLACK WOMENWANT TO SUPPORT!!!

            Like

            Reply

            • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
              Jun 08, 2014 @ 13:39:54

              I don’t have a dog in this fight since I’m neither white nor black, but I find it interesting Neecy how you keep using the word “unfeminine” and your issue is that black women are consistently portrayed as being unfeminine.

              I hear white women complain that they are consistently portrayed as being *too* feminine and want more gutsy, take charge, no nonsense roles and “edgy” roles.

              Like

              Reply

              • Karen
                Jun 10, 2014 @ 01:37:26

                As you “don’t have a dog in this fight”, to what purpose are you commenting to us about how WW feel about being portrayed as too feminine? What benefit does that bring to our discussion on how we, AA BW are being portrayed?

                It comes across as a bit of voyeurism on your part as per your words, you “don’t have a dog in this fight”. Are there no blogs for Indians to cater to your issues/concerns? I would never venture on a blog of Indians having “no dog in their fight” and start making such comments, I am sure I would be viewed as an interloper.

                Inquiring minds want to know….

                Like

                Reply

              • Neecy
                Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:28:29

                *GASP* you mean White women want to actually have more *balance* in their roles. Imagine that!

                Like Jalil and Khadija pointed out so eloquently, White women do not and have never NOT wanted to be deemed and shown in feminine light.

                The difference is white women have the LUXURY of complaining about roles that are too feminine, because they see plenty of variety in how they are portrayed as women.

                But let’s not get it twisted, WW are clearly and keenly aware of the benefits of being deemed feminine and the threat of what happens when a group of women as a collective are not deemed as such. This is why there is VERY little interest in having Black American women play an abundance of “feminine” sexual roles. Obviously that would serve as a threat to WHite American women who are trying to keep their hold onto the most powerful image and men in the world (WHITE MEN) while also having access to other races of men at their leisure in case things don’t work out well with White males. LOL

                So its in White and Non Black women’s best interest to stay in feminine roles while having another group take on all the Non Flattering roles a woman can play (with no other real positive feminine roles to balance them out) because it would not garner the desired effect – COMPETITION.

                I guess you can call it Ruthless. But that’s what Non Black women feel needs to be done to maintain their desirable roles as women above others – Black women.

                And look! They have been winning so far. All the stats are in and now Black American women are daily met with the HARSH realities that we are not really seen as women, but as some sort of flesh carrying womanly parts, but not worthy of respect, love, adoration, attention as other women deemed more “feminine and desirable” have been enjoying the benefits of.

                Like

                Reply

          • neurochick
            Jun 07, 2014 @ 15:44:08

            Mike,

            The show may be really, really good, but here’s my question. Why did the show’s creators feel they had to have ads that portray AABW in the WORST possible light? If the show is so good, why do they feel they need to do that?

            I felt the same way about the movie “Enchanted” which I did not see. I saw the trailer and in the trailer was an ugly, stereotypical, unflattering, unfeminine portrayal of an AABW. So I went online and basically said, that wasn’t funny and I didn’t appreciate it. A lot of people agreed with me and a few days later, I noticed that scene was taken out of the trailer; I’m sure it was still in the movie, but as I said, I didn’t bother to see the flick, so I don’t know.

            My point is this, if a movie/TV show is soooo good, why do they feel the need to assault and put down AABW? That’s my question.

            Like

            Reply

            • Neecy
              Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:31:32

              Because their audience base will not watch or support any show in which BW are acting and looking like normal human beings and women. That is why its IMPERATIVE for BW to start their own entertainment industry.

              Someone mentioned that the shows audience draw is hetero White males and bi sexual crowd – LOL – I think that sums up the reasons why the BW in the ads look like they do. If too many Heterosexual WHite males are viewing too many images of desirable looking Black women that could cause a stir and threat to those who are trying to hold onto their power.

              Like

              Reply

      • BrownSmiles
        Jun 03, 2014 @ 10:40:06

        No Mike! There is no such thing as hasty judgments when its my image under assault, not yours.
        I don’t need to watch the show.
        Is a trans man playing a BW or not?
        Does Crazy Eyes look crazy?
        Does this show depict BW in a stereotypical view, regardless of the storyline?
        Yes to all of the above and I aware of this without ever watching a full episode.
        If the BW on this post are acknowledging that the portrayls bother us,
        why are you still maintaining the position that we should still give the show a chance?
        If you don’t have a stake in this discussion, then what exactly is the problem with our resistance to this show?
        Whether you realize it or not, people with your mentality, regardless of
        race/gender are the when it comes to BW.
        You don’t have a stake in it, but are commenting to uphold the status quo.
        Lol!!
        Don’t prejudge..as long as its at AA BW expense.
        I won’t allow you to spit in my face and convince me its rain
        This show, or others like it will never receive my support.
        The stakes are extremely high for AABW and that means everything to me and other BW who feel the same.

        Like

        Reply

        • FoxyCleopatra
          Jun 03, 2014 @ 14:38:29

          ITA BrownSmiles.

          I think black women need to be very wary and careful of taking advice from ppl who do not really have a stake if said advise goes wrong!

          Like

          Reply

        • Mike Street Station
          Jun 04, 2014 @ 07:35:23

          Hi BrownSmiles; to answer your questions:

          Is a trans man playing a BW or not? No. He plays a trans man.

          Does Crazy Eyes look crazy? Yes.

          Does this show depict BW in a stereotypical view, regardless of the storyline? Yes and No, which was point. The show in the first few episodes gives you that, then does a swerve to really show you the characters. That’s why I think the portrayal is ultimately positive.

          If the BW on this post are acknowledging that the portrayls bother us,
          why are you still maintaining the position that we should still give the show a chance? I’m not. I’ve already stated I’ve no interest in whether you watch the show or not.

          If you don’t have a stake in this discussion, then what exactly is the problem with our resistance to this show? My only point is that I think your judgments are inaccurate based on the most superficial knowledge of the show. However when you say I don’t have a stake in this discussion, it sounds as if you don’t think I have a right to have an opinion, even when I’m more informed on the subject. I’m certainly not spitting in your face so that seems a little off base. But I recognize that if you only want to hear agreements which validate your opinion, you are free to disregard mine.

          Like

          Reply

          • Neecy
            Jun 04, 2014 @ 09:55:26

            If you as a White man felt at some point that WM’s images in the media were constantly under attack by making you look like clowns (literally) in almost every darn TV show, movie and media outlet, and this bothered you, would you watch a show that had an advertisement poster of White men YET again dressed up as CLOWNS????????

            Would you care if the show was “good” based on Black women running in and telling you “oh Mike the show is great. yeah the ads show White men as clowns but you really shouldn’t judge the show. it is a good show. i mean do you always expect White men to have great images!!!?”

            Would you appreciate people who have no stake in your image and the fall out of such images of WM telling you, to stop overreatcing and to give hte show a chance or not judge the show, when the AD clearly goes against everything you support as a WM who is tired of seeing WM dressed up and being portrayed as clowns???

            Be honest!

            Like

            Reply

          • BrownSmiles
            Jun 04, 2014 @ 14:05:02

            “But I recognize if you only want to hear agreements which validate your opinion, you are free to disregard mine.”

            Lol..right back at you!

            Like

            Reply

      • simplyme
        Jun 28, 2014 @ 23:08:07

        @ Mike, We would like to know why only the bw on the advertisements look so terrible; but, the other culture women look almost normal? My Dear that was not a mistake. Again, we have a right to be sensitive to unappealing portraits of us.

        Like

        Reply

  7. BrownSmiles
    May 29, 2014 @ 11:17:03

    *I

    Like

    Reply

  8. Meena
    May 29, 2014 @ 15:38:58

    Seeing these images, because I definitely do NOT, nor have I EVER, watch the show, does not make me feel happy. I no longer question my feelings of discomfort that somehow cannot be articulated about things like this. The fact that I have a negative reaction on a sensory level is enough proof that it is not an image that adds value to me.

    Hair:
    The hairstyle the black lady is wearing in all of the photos is a cherished look that I used to rock as a child, and many women of African descent have worn beautifully for years. We call them chiney bumps, natural hair gurus call it bantu knots. All the black women in the second image have natural hair…(hmmm, seems like it is associating our natural hair with the “less than” folks of society who are in jail). I don’t knock women who wear their hair in other states, but to me, as a natural haired girl I would rather natural hair be seen as a thing associated with femininity and beauty, etc. Not unkempt, masculine, and rough.

    Gender and Black women as “Masculine”:
    Not to mention, I do not have issues with trans folks, but it seems that this also does not help our image, as the black woman deemed “glamourous and feminine” with her long highlighted lace front, is really a man and everyone knows this.

    Skin Color/Colorism:
    All the black women chosen for this are on the darker side of the spectrum. I don’t like this. Some may say it is no big deal. I find it hard to believe since many shows deliberately go out of their way to cast a lighter skinned or mixed race woman for a core role when she is supposed to be viewed as attractive and desirable compared to her similarly situated white female counterpart.

    Facial Expressions:
    Is it any wonder why all the brown ladies have extra distorted looks on their faces, poor lighting, perhaps even no oil blotting powder and the white female (even the red head) seem to look air brushed.

    Overall, the images are sickening. I am glad you point this out though. I think many black girls and women are not immediately recognizing the damage these images do to us. I had a professor use the recording of sweet brown (“ain’t nobody got time for that”) as an aid to a lesson, and the majority of the class including some black women and men were laughing. I promptly emailed her about my disappointment and offense and she issued a public apology to the entire class in an email. Hey, it may not be big, but at least I did my part as a black woman to ensure the professor wouldn’t feel at liberty to show something like that again.

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      May 31, 2014 @ 05:59:27

      I agree with your whole comment.

      As for the ‘sweet brown’ clip, I understand why it is funny but cringe when it is used in public mass consumed avenues. I can see right through the motives of a lot of pple who do that. There is this show in UK called Russell Howard’s Good News where he would give a comedy slant on the weeks news and events as well as showing random internet clips. On one season, the ‘sweet brown’ clip was one of the clips constantly getting shown. On another one, there was this clip of what was supposedly a black woman in an airport (turns out she was trans) where she looked into the camera and said ‘two plus two equals vagina vagina vagina’. Now i never understood the point or relevance of that clip. It just looked like someone acting like a fool, but it just occur to me as I was reading your comment that a lot of the recurring internet clips on this show were either cute or weird animals or black people…mainly black women doing things that would get them mocked.

      Like

      Reply

      • Neecy
        Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:44:51

        I cannot for the life of me understand why Black women continue to work against our own best interests by doing this stuff! UGH!

        Like

        Reply

      • simplyme
        Jun 28, 2014 @ 23:17:40

        Being mocked, there you go.
        They keep showing negative images so that those images can be drilled into the viewers heads. IMO, that is a type of psychological imaging going on and most people did not realize what was happening to them.

        Like

        Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:44:06

      Great comment MEENA and thank you for standing up for what you believe in with that professor. Its little things like what you did that make all the difference dint he world.

      As you stated, I think its a mix of Black women being completely IGNORANT to how these images further hurt us as a collective, as well as some Black women saying “EFF IT” because they just don’t feel that we are better than that or because they feel things will not get better so they take the stand of “if you can’t beat em join em”.

      Instead of holding steadfast and demanding better roles and projects, they just SETTLE for anything to get a paycheck and a pat on the head.

      Its so sad because for every role that calls for a BW to degrade herself or Black women, there is a Black woman that has to say YES and be a willing participant.

      There is no reason why this day in age where BW have an abundance of opportunities to create our own roles and media why we would accept roles like these that only exemplify the idea that we are “crazy”, “unfemnine” and foul acting.

      Like

      Reply

      • FoxyCleopatra
        Jun 03, 2014 @ 14:45:57

        ‘As you stated, I think its a mix of Black women being completely IGNORANT to how these images further hurt us as a collective, as well as some Black women saying “EFF IT” because they just don’t feel that we are better than that or because they feel things will not get better so they take the stand of “if you can’t beat em join em”.’

        I think this is a very good point. I see a lot of black women, especially younger black girls doing this now. For example, it is now normal for bw to be in the public talking about the fact they are wearing weaves/hair extensions. They seem to adopt this attitude of ‘well if we show that it doesnt bother us and we arent hiding it, they cant use it to mock us anymore’. This is completely ignoring the fact that other non-bw in the public eye wear hair extensions just as much. Kate Middleton wears hair extensions, but everyone wants to pretend that it is her real hair. It would be seen as rude to ever question her about this, yet no one sees anything odd taking about it in refernce to a black woman. Ppl might think this is a small issue, and for a short while I was inclined to as well. However, it is just another slight in attacking black womens’ womanhood.

        Like

        Reply

    • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
      Jun 08, 2014 @ 13:47:39

      Did you see “Not Easily Broken” starring Morris Chestnut and Taraji?

      Anyway, the white woman that Chestnut’s character developed a crush on due to his marital issues was significantly older than both him and Taraji, though she was portrayed as being the same age. She was a particularly unattractive white actress (in my opinion) with thin lips and just an odd face, BUT in the story line she was some supposedly some “hot blonde single mom babe” that had a much younger white guy with no kids totally chasing her and a super hot married black man who eventually crushed on her too!

      I don’t the actresses name but in that story she looked 46 and the white actor who wanted her looked 29 and Morris Chestnut looked like a super hot early 30s guy.

      Now, they could have gotten a younger, prettier actress to play the character of white single mom but they didn’t. What’s the message there?

      Was the audience supposed to think she was hot or not?

      Like

      Reply

      • Khadija Nassif
        Jun 08, 2014 @ 14:03:36

        @Say It Loud I’m Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!

        You asked, “. . . Now, they could have gotten a younger, prettier actress to play the character of white single mom but they didn’t. What’s the message there?

        Was the audience supposed to think she was hot or not?”

        Oh, I don’t know. It’s a mystery.

        Could it be that . . . just maybe . . . perhaps . . . the message was something similar to the messages conveyed by the multitudes of Indian skin bleaching commercials?

        “India’s Ugly Obsession with Lighter Skin Hits Close to Home, Too”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/arti-patel/indian-skin-lightening_b_3763946.html

        Like

        Reply

        • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
          Jun 08, 2014 @ 15:56:50

          Hi Khadija,

          The message with Fair and Lovely (and now Fair and Handsome) commercials is that a lighter shade of brown is preferable to a darker one, but not white or pink! Indians do not find pale skin attractive or healthy looking. We think it looks ghostly. However many Indians do like light shades of brown, like Beyonce’s color. That is more or less the shade aimed for by those who uses those creams. Its called “golden hue”.

          And the commercials do get ridiculous. They show young men and women unable to get hired for their “dream job” until they use those creams!

          But here’s a funny parody some Indian-Americans created around the issue;

          Like

          Reply

          • simplyme
            Jun 28, 2014 @ 23:23:38

            I know from personal experience Indians are not particular about dark skin. The western world is a blessing for most dark Indians.

            Like

            Reply

      • Neecy
        Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:36:05

        I think you just proved our point.

        No Black woman with all things being equal would have that kind of role in a White movie whatsoever. LOL You see other people like to look out for their own best interests.

        Like

        Reply

      • simplyme
        Jun 28, 2014 @ 23:31:01

        What I do know is many Indians would love to be a white person.
        IMO, love yourself and love your culture.

        Like

        Reply

  9. onelesssoldier
    May 30, 2014 @ 17:09:52

    Lol,
    Thanks for the post Neecy, as always (100 percent correct of course), but some of the willful ignorance/ gaslighting is simply to much to bear. I can’t honestly say I’m mad either because I’ll be voting with my wallet. And that is the most important thing.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:45:45

      EXACTLY OLS!

      This is about BW turning this nonsense off and not supporting the actresses who sign up for this garbage and blatant attacks on Black womanhood.

      Like

      Reply

  10. FoxyCleopatra
    May 31, 2014 @ 06:05:56

    Hmmm, this show has been getting some attention in the UK as the cast has been doing media rounds. I have no intention of watching it either way. However there is something I am confused about. A few months ago, there were black women on the blogosphere complaining that the show producers pretended that it was about black women and gave the bw characters story lines in the beginning just to get bw viewers to tune in, but after a few episodes, the show is now mostly about the ww characters, and so these bw decided that they were no longer going to tune in. Seeing these pictures now though, I am wondering why those bw would have wanted to tune in to such nonsense in the first place considering how bw are portrayed?

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:47:41

      Girl!!!

      The Black women are there to serve a purpose and role. To make the WW in the roles look like supermodels and normal homo sapiens compared to the caricatures that BW are representing.

      UGH. So disgusting.

      Like

      Reply

      • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
        Jun 05, 2014 @ 14:48:49

        Yeah. The white women characters in that show are there to attract a heterosexual white male viewer base, as well as a white lesbian/bi-sexual viewer base. That is why they choose actresses that look better than the rest. Otherwise the the viewership skews heavily hetero white/minority female and its just not enough to keep a show going.

        Like

        Reply

        • Neecy
          Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:38:27

          Of course. Makes sense as to why there are an abundance of not very attractive (at least in character form) Black women playing in this show. If the show is drawing hetero WHite males, they want the focus to solely be on the ATTRACTIVE WHITE WOMEN. Having as many unattractive, caricature looking Black women (while throwing a tranny in the mix) makes sure the White women no matter what still look attractive even in “bad lighting”.

          LOL

          Like

          Reply

  11. Khadija Nassif
    May 31, 2014 @ 11:30:59

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I call B.S. on anybody who claims this is okay, and anything other than an act of aggression against BW.

    I’ve always disliked that “[Fill in the blank] is the new black” phrase because it trivializes AA historical suffering. I just can’t imagine people coming up with the joke phrase “[Fill in the blank] is the new gas chamber/final solution/yellow star patch, etc.” That phrase is not cute.

    Anyway, my anger and disgust is focused on the Black actresses who took those roles. It’s the 21st century, and Black actresses are STILL signing up to portray 1930s-style Mantan Moreland images . . . http://tinyurl.com/q67lv2l

    There’s no excuse for that in the 21st century.

    For the moment, I’m resisting the urge to look up these . . . women . . . on IMDB to get a list of their names so I can make sure to never support them or anything they’re in.

    At minimum, I will vote with my wallet and I will NEVER watch this show. I’ll also discourage anybody I know from watching this mess.

    For those who say that other African-American (AA) women shouldn’t withhold or retract their support from these movies and TV shows because to do so would be to deprive BW actresses of jobs. NO, what’s depriving BW actresses from being employed is their own refusal to Do For Self, create their own production companies, and create their own media products starring themselves.

    When a BW actress takes a job that involves running BW’s image through the mud, then I certainly have no obligation to support her having that job. That’s the ethical equivalent of the drug dealer’s justification: If the way you feed yourself is by doing something (selling drugs, doing a minstrel-show/Jimmie Walker—Dyn-O-Mite!/Stepin Fetchit/Mantan Moreland performance) that cuts my throat, then NO, I’m not going to support you feeding yourself by cutting my throat.

    The other thing about the drug dealer argument is that it’s a false, intellectually dishonest argument. There are plenty of other ways in America to make money to feed oneself besides selling drugs. Similarly, in the 21st century there are plenty of other ways for BW actresses in America to have acting roles besides playing roles that run BW’s image through the mud.

    The reality is that BM drug dealers and, unfortunately, most BW actresses are too lazy to work these other angles. Because these other angles involve trailblazing, doing for self, and a lot more work than looking for somebody else to make things happen for you.

    In an age of video podcast TV shows, YouTube videos, digital film equipment, etc. modern day Black actresses don’t have any legitimate excuses for not producing and creating an audience for their own content. These women are not trapped into begging for other people to cast them in their productions the way pioneers like Diahann Carroll and others were in previous generations.

    I’ve self-published my own non-fiction book of essays and other books (under a pen name). I’ve made money self-publishing. With the proof given in this post.

    http://muslimbushido.blogspot.com/2013/07/stacking-deck-for-or-against-yourself.html

    I’m saying all of this to say that there are other viable choices than playing Mantan Moreland. With the resources available nowadays, there’s NO excuse for any Black person portraying Mantan Moreland-type roles in the 21st century.

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      May 31, 2014 @ 14:24:12

      ‘Anyway, my anger and disgust is focused on the Black actresses who took those roles. It’s the 21st century, and Black actresses are STILL signing up to portray 1930s-style Mantan Moreland images . . . http://tinyurl.com/q67lv2l
      There’s no excuse for that in the 21st century.
      For the moment, I’m resisting the urge to look up these . . . women . . . on IMDB to get a list of their names so I can make sure to never support them or anything they’re in.’

      This is the approach I have taken since that Super Bowl add where a black woman throws a can at the head of a white woman because she thought her husband was checking the ww out. That was the point I decided that any black actress who agrees to take a role that portrays such coonery will never get any form of support from me in the future, financial or otherwise.

      ——————————————————————-
      ‘For those who say that other African-American (AA) women shouldn’t withhold or retract their support from these movies and TV shows because to do so would be to deprive BW actresses of jobs. NO, what’s depriving BW actresses from being employed is their own refusal to Do For Self, create their own production companies, and create their own media products starring themselves.’

      I find that argument so nonsensical. Do bw not realise that the more bw are portrayed in such coonish ways, the less ppl would be willing to cast bw in other type of roles? Also, let’s keep it real. There is a ‘mental quota’ on the number of bw some ‘ppl’ will be willing to see in significant roles on screen, so shouldn’t we want them to be positive roles?

      —————————————————————————
      ‘NO, what’s depriving BW actresses from being employed is their own refusal to Do For Self, create their own production companies, and create their own media products starring themselves.’

      ITA!!!! It is well past the time that bw actresses realise that waiting for good roles to just fall into your lap is a long winding road to either unemployment or utterly s*** roles!

      —————————————————————————–
      ‘When a BW actress takes a job that involves running BW’s image through the mud, then I certainly have no obligation to support her having that job. That’s the ethical equivalent of the drug dealer’s justification: If the way you feed yourself is by doing something (selling drugs, doing a minstrel-show/Jimmie Walker—Dyn-O-Mite!/Stepin Fetchit/Mantan Moreland performance) that cuts my throat, then NO, I’m not going to support you feeding yourself by cutting my throat.’

      That is EXACTLY how I feel. Bw actresses are not the only ones in Hollywood finding it hard to be cast. Asian women do too. In fact, I see a lot more bw characters (both positive and negative) on screen than I do Asian women, yet I never see anyone expecting Asian women to degrade themselves and by extension the collective image of Asian women just so they can ‘butter their bread’.
      When it becomes career suicide for bw to take such roles, who will these bw-haters begin to cast? I remember this political ad http://www.wxyz.com/news/political/hoekstra-super-bowl-ad-causes-controversy where an Asian-American actress speaks in broken English. There was uproar and the actress herself came out and apologised for it. She was SHAMED in her community and ppl threatened to never support anything she is in again. This woman was practically in tears begging for forgiveness and trying to backtrack and say she didn’t know the ad would be like that. Now do you think that after this, other Asian actresses would be so willing to be cast in such a role?
      —————————————————————————

      ‘These women are not trapped into begging for other people to cast them in their productions the way pioneers like Diahann Carroll and others were in previous generations.’

      As far as I know, even Diahann Carroll didn’t play such roles. So what’s bw actresses of todays excuse?

      Like

      Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:57:49

      LOL KHADIJA you hit it on the head *AS USUAL*

      There is no reason why American Black women should be playing these kids of “typical” roles.

      You have 17 year old WHite girls on You Tube pulling in $40K a month because they have created make up and beauty channels that have millions of viewers (yes there is a 17 year old White girl named Beth Mota who makes $40K a MONTH from You tube because of the number of subscribers she has to her channel (more than 5 million. And what is she doing?? SIMPLY telling young girls to have confidence, and doing make up and clothing tutorials. And she now has hit mainstream and has a clothing line coming out with a popular clothing company etc.

      MY POINT? It beiing and can be done!

      PSSSH! That was all I needed to read to say I needed to get my arse in gear if I wanted to do something positive for the image of Black women media wise. And no i am not keeping it a secret because I HOPE some Black women read what I plan on doing and DO IT TOO! There can never be enough positive channels for Black women to tune into to get a better glimpse into who we TRULY are as women as well as seeing our stories, struggles, happiness and everything brought to the masses of BW BY OTHER BW Who actually give a damn.

      For me its not simply about the money its about making a difference in any way.

      AS you pointed out, THERE IS NO REASON Black actresses cannot produce and create their own shows and such to get the subscribers and fans that will put more than enough money in their pockets and save their dignity at the same time.

      That young Beth Mota probably makes more than all those Black actresses on that show who are degrading themselves for most likely peanuts!

      What is more disturbing is as you also pointed out, these images (especially that of that Crazy Eyes character) are just CLEARLY reincarnates of previous ugly images of Black women from the past and present.

      Boy they really covered all their bases with the Black women on this show!

      Like

      Reply

  12. Karen
    May 31, 2014 @ 11:55:19

    They are “TRAITORS” to BW!!!! The one so-called attractive black “woman” IS A MAN. This is a deliberate attack on BW. WAR has been declared and anyone who refuses to acknowledge this is DELUSIONAL.

    As Khadija has stated above, as long as we REFUSE TO DO FOR SELF we will continue to be ATTACKED.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 02, 2014 @ 23:59:13

      GIRL PLEASE tell me you are lying that the one with the wig (the one attractive one) is a man???

      **Jesus take the wheel*!!!!

      Like

      Reply

      • Karen
        Jun 18, 2014 @ 07:38:50

        Addendum:

        A dear friend sent me the following links:

        http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2012/11/21/what-many-transgender-activists-dont-want-you-to-know-and-why-you-should-know-it-anyway/

        http://roslynhardyholcomb.com/2014/06/16/stop-taking-crazy-pills-they-only-have-one-look/

        Knowledge is power, to the ladies, the following is a public service announcement concerning Transgender groups. The bottom line is that they have their agenda and we need to be fully aware that their agenda is in many ways in direct conflict with ours as biological women. Specifically, we are under attack as they try to use our language to invade our spaces:

        Historically, black males have been dressing like women and it is more than interesting that the current poster children for transgender/men are black males. They are continuing to try to make us more masculine so that they are perceived to be more feminine which will ultimately allow them direct access to our bodies, resources and spaces. I personally never want one of them in a women’s bathroom, locker room, etc. They are not women, they are men who will always have the physiology of a man, regardless of what clothes they wear.

        The best defense is a good offense which is to set boundaries and not allow ourselves to be misused or violated. We are not “cis-women”, we are women and they are men…PERIOD

        Like

        Reply

  13. Karen
    May 31, 2014 @ 12:26:57

    This mess (for there really is no other word that fits) reinforces the message that dark skinned BW are not considered as attractive and desirable women;they are only attractive when they are actually MEN.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 00:01:04

      Yep. Notice all of the Black women are of a darker hue.

      Not surprising they’d do this.

      But as I mentioned, in this society today, everyone has to have something or someone beneath them to keep them from being at the bottom.

      This show and these images are a clear message to Black women and everyone else, that they view our come up as a THREAT.

      Like

      Reply

  14. kia
    Jun 02, 2014 @ 08:47:30

    Yes, this is white hollywood’s joke to black women. Always casting black women as negative stereotypes. How the only black woman who looks feminine is a transgender man. And in the first season when the character crazy eyes literally peed on the floor like a DOG, to mark her territory because she was crushing on the white woman character. I don’t know why a black woman would degrade herself for this type of role. Notice they didn’t have any white woman characters do anything crazy like that. The type of black women who choose to take these degrading roles are too lazy to do for self and create their own roles. Also notice the crazy eyes character who is a lesbian, is super masculine like a man. But notice whenever white women are portrayed as lesbians, they’re super feminine.

    I don’t know why some people are being deliberately dense about this. The world is not a utopia. Many people have judged other people on negative stereotypes since the beginning of time. Especially black women. Yes @FoxyCleopatra its easy to tell other people they’re being overly sensitive when they don’t have to deal with the negative fallout in their daily lives. Only black women are accused of being too sensitive when ever they speak up for themselves.

    If some people need explanations as to why black women playing ghetto and negative stereotypes is bad, they will never see it. Ironically, the rest of the show is actually good – minus the black women stereotypes. The show would actually be good for black women, if they didn’t portray them as transgender, super masculine lesbians, illiterate, or other ghetto stereotypes. FYI – Not hating on lesbians or transgender people. Just saying how they’re used to portray black women as unattractive and masculine.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 00:04:36

      And in the first season when the character crazy eyes literally peed on the floor like a DOG, to mark her territory because she was crushing on the white woman character.

      WOW. Unbelievable.

      And the one who they actually gave the “benefits” of looking like a woman is actually really a man.

      You cannot make this stuff up!

      If this is not a true kick in the face for BW to wake up I don’t know what is.

      And as I stated, that poster was strategically placed for people of a certain caliber to view daily.

      There are really no more excuses for AA women to be taking these kinds of roles at this point. NONE.

      Like

      Reply

  15. Khadija Nassif
    Jun 02, 2014 @ 16:08:23

    Kia said, “And in the first season when the character crazy eyes literally peed on the floor like a DOG, to mark her territory because she was crushing on the white woman character. I don’t know why a black woman would degrade herself for this type of role. Notice they didn’t have any white woman characters do anything crazy like that.”

    {a moment of stunned silence}

    It almost goes without saying that I will boycott every Black individual connected to this TV show. They will never get any form of support from me. Ever.

    Another aspect to all of this that I find troubling is how apparently most AAs are unaware of our history in Hollyweird. It seems to me the only way any AA could—in good faith—be sincerely confused about these images is if they aren’t familiar with these degrading tropes for Black performers. These degrading, racist tropes and “norms” for Black performers are not new. Not at all. In fact, they’re 150+ years old in the U.S. (These racist minstrel show tropes pre-date the U.S. Civil War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show)

    I would strongly urge progressive BW to look into the history of Black performers and get familiar with this very old mess that keeps getting trotted out. Here’s a good site to start with. http://black-face.com/blackface-actors.htm

    I saw the top poster of this “Crazy Eyes” creature, and immediately recognized it as yet another incarnation of Mantan Moreland and that big-eyed “Buckwheat” expression from Little Rascals. I know my history. Ladies, do you know yours? When you know your history, you’re not confused when presented with this type of mess.

    This SAME bug-eyed, “crazy eyes” look STAYS on frequent rotation for Black performers.

    The same way that “Aunt Jemima” look STAYS on frequent rotation for Black actresses.

    Because certain folks in the entertainment industry reward Black performers for portraying minstrel show-style images. Any BW who is okay with those of her great-great-great grandbabies who are Black being presented with the SAME minstrel show-images as “entertainment” should keep watching and supporting this mess. One would think that after 150+ years of this mess, 99.999% of AAs (including AA performers) would’ve had enough of it. I guess not.

    The only point of (mild) curiosity in this for me is about the Nigerian-heritage actress that portrays this Crazy Eyes creature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzo_Aduba

    I just find it fascinating that—without being part of this American minstrel-show history—she apparently knew precisely what kind of minstrel-show-type, “crazy eyes” look would be rewarded by whoever (presumably nonblack) is running that show.

    Like

    Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 00:09:39

      Great point Khadija!

      The first thing that came to mind when I saw that poster was BUCKWHEAT. And that is why I felt so sad and mad and embarrassed especially at where they placed this poster. It was not in some lower income Black neighborhood. It was in a very high profile upper class White/diverse city (actually where a lot of actors and actresses and young people looking to make a break live as well).

      There is much truth to the saying “if you don’t know your history you are bound to repeat it”. Its clear a lot of AA women today have not taken the time to understand out history in American media over the centuries and how the images of BW HAVE NOT CHANGED one iota. They just seem to take on a different form but they still end up at the same place – to degrade Black womanhood and to deprive the American viewer any semblance of what Black femininity should and CAN and does look like.

      I like what you said about these images being an AGGRESSIVE attack against Black womanhood.

      Like

      Reply

    • Lynn
      Jun 04, 2014 @ 12:51:36

      I’m totally with you on this, Khadija. These BW actresses will never see a dime of my money supporting any project they are involved with. My mouth dropped open after I read about the peeing scene. Utterly disgusting. And shameful. I also saw that Time magazine where the Trans BM/W is on the cover. It’s also interesting ‘crazy eyes’ is played by a Nigerian woman. Even though she was born in the US, she self-identifies with Nigeria because her parents immigrated from there.

      Ladies, this is the future for AA BW actresses. We will be replaced by surgically altered Men (sorry, I refuse to call them women-they are not true representatives of genuine BW) and foreign BW. And the Trans women get the privilege of looking like ‘real’ women!

      Like

      Reply

  16. Chi
    Jun 03, 2014 @ 07:16:06

    Hi Neecy!

    First time commenting here. Just wanted to shout out to you and thank you for highlighting this issue.

    I live in the UK and don’t give any money or attention to shows such as this but it still irks me to see that they exist and are popular. Other people just do not see this representation of black women as problematic because it is not them that are are woefully portrayed. it’s a shame that black women can be found not only agreeing to play these characters and put their faces into these sorts of caricatures, but there are also BLACK women who support this garbage. The cognitive dissonance is staggering. how is it that you saw those images and cringed and another BW will see it and think ‘ohh, I must watch that’???

    We have a struggle and I must admit being at a loss on what to about it because I already do not support them. What I currently do is point out incidences of BW stereotyping and caricaturing that In come across if watching TV with other people just so that they KNOW it’s not normal. If not, they’ll see it and silently, unconsciously absorb it further solidifying the warped perceptions being created of BW.

    It’s a long road. Thanks again.

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 15:12:16

      To be honest, I believe the best approach is that any black actress that chooses to play such roles, or be involved in such projects, NEVER support anything they are involved in again IRRESPECTIVE of what it is. When those women become poison bcos large swathes of bw will ‘boycott’ any project they are involve in, other bw actresses will think twice and realise that it is not worth it.

      I know it is harsh, but let’s be honest, nothing else has worked and that is what other racial groups do. Can u imagine the reaction from Jews if a Jewish actor engaged in such foolishness? The actor would never work in Hollywood again! That’s how you keep idiots in check!

      Like

      Reply

  17. Shaylah
    Jun 03, 2014 @ 09:01:33

    I often wonder when this Black Women image take such downward free fall? It seems to me that when a black woman is tall and feminine looking, she is automatically assumed to be a man. People where speculating Wendy Williams was a man. They even speculated that Ciara was man. Even though she gave birth and we know that she is a woman. The Black actresses in Hollywood are still being controlled by black male pimps I mean other black male actors. Steve Harvey has another crap movie coming out. The problem is not only are black actresses still tied to black male actors who hate them, some black women still have a soft spot
    for the bm and they don’t know how to sever ties with them. Black men have been a catalyst in destroying our image. We just took the baton from them to finish the job.
    I don’t watch the show. But to say that orange is the new black, then you glorifying prison. I am noticing a trend that more women are making up the prison population. the numbers for female inmates are increasing but not at the rate of men. Not to get off topic but black female actress should nothave to look to foreign black women to uplift our image on for those foreign black to not give a damn about African American actresses. I look at Taraj Henson, Gabrielle Union and other AFRICAN AMERICAN black actresses that can be producing and having their own production companies. White actresses Goldie Hawn, Drew Barrymore get behind the camera where the real power is and will be making money even when they are not in the limelight.
    Khadija did a post on following the money trail and when black male actors make the Hollywood money, they be sure to transfer it to non-black women making sure they and their children are set for life while black actresses embarrass themselves and still walk away with crumbs.

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 15:15:37

      ‘The problem is not only are black actresses still tied to black male actors who hate them, some black women still have a soft spot
      for the bm and they don’t know how to sever ties with them.’

      It is not that some bw DO NOT KNOW how to sever ties with parasitic bm, its that some bw REFUSE to sever ties with them.

      Like

      Reply

  18. BrownSmiles
    Jun 03, 2014 @ 10:44:50

    *are a problem

    Like

    Reply

  19. kia
    Jun 03, 2014 @ 12:06:52

    For the record. Some people are talking about how transgender actress laverne cox made the cover of time magazine. And other transgender women like janet mock are now seen as normal feminine women. Which is good for them as transgender women of color. Cheers to their accomplishments as trans women.

    But heterosexual black women and transgender women of color / lesbians of color have completely DIFFERENT agendas and stories from each other. Some of our issues might be similar, but they are still different.

    Black women need to stop fusing their issues with others. Black women are free to support anyone they want, but they should know that each ”tribe” has its own unique agenda and issues to deal with. Fusing issues of transgender women of color and lesbians of color with black women is wrong. Because we all have different agendas.

    Like

    Reply

    • FoxyCleopatra
      Jun 03, 2014 @ 15:18:21

      Yep!

      Also, anyone noticed how trans bw get a lot more props than trans ww? I can think of atleast 4 trans bw who have gotten significant amount of publicity in the past five years in America…..I can’t think of a single trans ww, yet whites are a majority.

      Like

      Reply

  20. Neecy
    Jun 04, 2014 @ 09:51:22

    For anyone that is confused. ADS are made to give people the judgement of whether they wantt o support or buy a product. YES. JUDGEMENTS are made everyday by humans on whether we want something or not based on an ad, preview etc. Why do you think movies have posters and previews? To give people the opportyunity to get a GLIMPSE of what the movie is about. If poster ads about television shows meant nothing in regards to the show THEY WOULDN’T MAKE THEM!

    The fact that we see these posters and ads about the show is ENOUGH for us to make a JUDGEMENT on whether we will wathc the show or not BASED on how they presentd the Black female characters in the ads.

    It not rocket science!

    Like

    Reply

  21. Indira15
    Jun 04, 2014 @ 17:02:32

    Hey. Great blog! I’m new here, but I’d like to chime in. Before I get into my rant, I would like to disclose that I’m an AA BW in her late twenties, for honesty’s sake. Also, I’d like to apologize in advance for being long winded. Anyhow, those posters disgust me. In fact, those posters make me glad that I’ve been living under a pop cultural rock for the past 4 years. I think there are three main reasons why we still see such a prevalence of black caricatures in the 21st century:

    1) We (AAs) would rather beg others for scraps instead of building our own infrastructure. Hence, we get scraps. After the success of the CRM, we could have built our own version of Hollywood, yet we continued to beg and hope for the occasional steak. We especially should have built up our own music industry. I’ve even argued with folks that part the Sterlings fiasco could have been avoided if the BM players had invested in themselves (started their teams, made an effort to recruit more AAs to work behind the scenes at the NBA, etc.)

    2) The expectation (demand really) that AAs support anything that has a black race. Regardless of whether that anything is foolish, offensive or outright harmful. This is why the black actresses in Orange is The New Black can straight up coon without impunity. This is why c(rap) is mainstream and yet the most vulgar, sexist and yes, coonish music on the planet. This is why AAs rallied around R. Kelly instead of throwing him to the dogs. If an AA voices their dissent against any BC foolish, the dissenter is reviled and labeled a sellout (ex. C. Delores Tucker, Bill Cosby, etc.). We will not call out our own when they engage in nonsense.

    3) Lastly, in regards specifically to AA BW, we are, by in large, unprotected. Other minority groups were able to eliminate their Hollywood caricatures because they banded together to put a stop to the madness. These groups formed organizations that are often led by men. Instead of being happy to see one of their own in media, these organizations called out our own and arranged boycotts of the offensive media. AA BW do not have this protection. In fact, I truly believe that BM entertainers have the most vested interest BW continuing to play caricatures. How else would TP, rappers and ilk make a buck?

    Like

    Reply

  22. JaliliMaster
    Jun 04, 2014 @ 22:53:00

    Indira15 said: “AA BW do not have this protection. In fact, I truly believe that BM entertainers have the most vested interest BW continuing to play caricatures. How else would TP, rappers and ilk make a buck?”

    I agree with this, however, they (AA men) would also benefit greatly from an improvement in AA womens image, but that benefit would only come to the men who are willing to compete with other men, and they (AA men) know this. So they are, in essence, willing to harm their own selves just to keep AA women down if it means that they won’t have to be held to the same standards that all other men hold themselves to! This is utterly stupid as one cannot happen without the other, i.e they too will not reap the benefits of an improvement in AA womens’ image until this improvement happens. And let us not forget, AA mens’ image is in the gutter, so they have no leg to stand on!

    Like

    Reply

  23. Robynne
    Jun 06, 2014 @ 17:45:46

    I had similar thoughts to yours when I first saw this garbage. If one is a subscriber, you can cancel that subscription, and let Netflix know why you are cancelling it. Money talks. I bet if enough BW did this, Netflix would get the message.

    Like

    Reply

  24. Peanut
    Jun 09, 2014 @ 17:46:39

    *sighs* this doesn’t even surprise me

    Like

    Reply

  25. Peanut
    Jun 09, 2014 @ 17:50:08

    Reply

    • itsmeak
      Jul 27, 2014 @ 11:21:23

      Again a situation describing a choice or activity that even more white women have long been known to participate in that the so and so’s would never dare to taint their public image with however or at least they wouldn’t tamper with their image regarding their choices in this day and age…

      Like

      Reply

  26. Formavitae
    Jun 11, 2014 @ 05:41:49

    This is ridiculous. UNFORTUNATELY, a large number of AAs have decided that making bank is more important than protecting the interests of your community. It’s disheartening, but I’ve decided to shut all this foolishness and these fools OUT. I’ve been doing so since I was a kid, and no one had to teach me.

    Like

    Reply

  27. JaliliMaster
    Jun 11, 2014 @ 05:51:33

    Say It Loud, your analysis is wrong and completely off base. White women have no issue/problem with being portrayed as feminine, in fact, that is what they want. All their complaints are more to trick other women into accepting it when it happens to them, as if to say: no, THAT IS good representation, the sort you should want, after all, look how much we (WW) are fighting for it!” The fact of the matter is that if that is how WW really wanted to be portrayed in the media, it would have happened a long time ago! Look at any production that is created by white women, featuring predominantly ww. What is the common theme? All the non-feminine traits they always claim they desire to see represented in women in the media, they only ever cast non-ww (especially BW), in those roles. From not being seen as soft, feminine, nurturing, physically attractive/fat acceptance etc. They use BWs image in these things, but pretend that it is about all women. Look how much time ww spent (and still spend) complaining about the portrayal of Eastern Asian women in western media. They complain about the infantilisation, sexualisation, over-feminisation etc, because truthfully, they view it as a threat. See how they attack wm who prefer Asian women as paedophiles. However, whenever the portrayal is unfeminine or really derogatory (e.g as cheap prostitutes, stowaway or wartime sex workers etc, which was the predominant protrayal of East Asian women for a long time a while back), they all of a sudden have nothing to say. Meanwhile, they have jack to say about BW in the media, even when we try to talk about it. At most, they only give lip service, if at all, then quickly move on to some other issue they view as more ww-centred. They don’t care about the dehumanisation of bw, because that is what they want (and are complicit in).

    Other non-white, non-black women have started to follow suit. It is all in a bid to ensure that they aren’t at the “bottom”, so whenever they get the opportunity, they too load on the negativity to bw. A great example is the Indian-American comedienne, who has her own tv show. She s overweight and never going to win any beauty contests. So what does she do? She puts BW characters in her show, and writes them negatively, so the character she plays can look good in comparison. She would not dare do that with a ww character, as they would not watch it, and would in fact, attack her for it, but many people are used to pissing on BW and then telling them that it is raining (case in point: the earlier comments in this post from some who admitted that ‘at first instance’, OINTB had a terrible portrayal of BW, but that we should “ give it a chance ” because they thought it was a ‘good’ show. Just like you, they couldn’t give a toss about the negative effects that such trash has, because it is not them that is affected by it. Do you think any of those posters would have dared go to, say, a Jewish forum where they were talking about negative, derogatory portrayal of Jews in a production, and told them to ‘give it a chance’?)

    I find it telling, Say It Loud, that in all of your comments, you were far more interested in talking about ww, and how they feel (except when you tried to make, what was a very weak, and quite frankly, dishonest defence of India’s sordid colourism and stigmatisation of THEIR OWN darker skin. If Beyonce was in India, she would be considered too dark, so please, quit lyin’!) In fact, the only real reference you made to what was being discussed in this post was when you informed us that you ‘had no dog in this fight’.

    Ladies, please take note. The truth is that the only reason someone, anyone, would expect you to act/react out of the ordinary to the way most other human beings would react to the same sort of situation or attack (and would be accepted as a reasonable and justified response from said human beings) is because deep down, they do not view you as human! No one would even question anyone else not only being concerned, but wanting to eradicate such demeaning, derogatory and dehumanising images of them in the worldwide mass media, so ask yourselves why they only do this when it is you? They do not believe you deserve the same rights as other ‘normal’ human beings, and should accept any sort of treatment, because, as I said, when it comes to it, deep down, they do not recognise or accept your humanity!

    Like

    Reply

    • Khadija Nassif
      Jun 11, 2014 @ 07:02:59

      JaliliMaster,

      Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU.

      I 100% co-sign your comment.

      Like some of the commenters in this thread (the dishonest Indian commenter, and Mike—who tells us that we should be okay with and support the degrading images of BW in OITNB), there are a lot of folks who come to BW with garbage and games that they NEVER dare engage in when coming around any other category of people.

      This nonsense will lessen and finally end as more BW set boundaries with these individuals.

      Like

      Reply

      • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
        Jun 11, 2014 @ 14:00:39

        “the dishonest Indian commenter”

        Where have I been “dishonest”?

        Like

        Reply

        • Khadija Nassif
          Jun 11, 2014 @ 15:18:24

          I’m taking the time to answer your question because I want the AABW in the audience to take note of something that a friend just mentioned to me a few minutes ago. She’s been reading this comment section and she mentioned the following:

          As more AA BW wake up, smell the coffee and take our rightful places on the world stage (part of which is rejecting demeaning portrayals of AABW), more outsiders—who DON’T wish us well— are going to step up their game to “gaslight” as many AABW as possible.

          You asked where have you been “dishonest.” That’s a general, blanket term that covers lots of types of dishonesty. I’ll pick a more precise word to describe the specific type of dishonesty you’ve engaged in here—“disingenuous.”

          Ah, let’s see… “Disingenuous” has been defined as: “not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

          synonyms: insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; More…”

          Yes, that’s a more precise description of what you did here. I’ve watched Latina women play the same games that you did here they jump into AABW’s online discussions about AABW’s interests and issues.

          You said this: “I don’t have a dog in this fight since I’m neither white nor black, but I find it interesting Neecy how you keep using the word “unfeminine” and your issue is that black women are consistently portrayed as being unfeminine.

          I hear white women complain that they are consistently portrayed as being *too* feminine and want more gutsy, take charge, no nonsense roles and “edgy” roles.”

          When AABW have online discussions about the colorism that affects AABW, there are often intrusions into those conversations by Latinas and other nonblack persons of color. There’s pattern with how people like you enter these conversations.

          The typical behavior pattern is for the nonblack woman of color to preface their comments by announcing that since they’re neither black or white, they [somehow] have no connection whatsoever to any issues about colorism. The basic position is one of pretending to have nothing whatsoever to do with any issues about colorism. Which is what you did here, Say It Loud I’m Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud! with your “don’t have a dog in this fight” comment.

          They then go on to pretend as if they are so far removed from any issues about colorism that they’re so very confused about the points raised during the conversations they jump into. And so they ask questions as if they’re confused about the basic dynamics of how colorism operates. As if they don’t know that in various cultures around the world, colorism operates in one direction—with the basic idea that lighter = better.

          You did that here with your “. . . Now, they could have gotten a younger, prettier actress to play the character of white single mom but they didn’t. What’s the message there? Was the audience supposed to think she was hot or not?” question. As if you couldn’t possibly figure out/didn’t already know the answer to your own question.

          Bonus points for bringing up another demeaning anti-BW media “diss.” Particularly a “diss” that operated in favor of WW.

          To the AABW in the audience: these type of simple-minded questions from the nonblack women of color who jump into your conversations aren’t about understanding or communication. They’re about rubbing some more demeaning mess in your face. They’re about rubbing salt in any wounds you might have. And also about these nonblack women of color trying to assert a “higher” spot in the perceived beauty hierarchy.

          A nonblack woman of color who’s joining these types of conversation in good faith and honesty would say something that sounds like this: “I’m not an AABW, but I’ve seen similar dynamics among my own people. There’s a LOT of colorism in the Indian/Latino community and entertainment industry.”

          AABW Readers, you will note that the vast majority of nonblack women of color who bounce into our conversations don’t say anything like that. What these nonblack women of color invariably fail to mention [also known as lying by omission] is that their OWN cultures are rabidly colorist. Which is what you did here, Say It Loud I’m Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!

          And then when you confront them with incidents of the intra-group colorism that occurs among their people, they try to minimize it. Which is what you did here, Say It Loud I’m Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!

          AABW Readers, don’t let people play these types of games with you. Boundaries, ladies, boundaries.

          Like

          Reply

    • Neecy
      Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:41:11

      @ JALIL MASTER

      BINGO!!! You hit the nail on the head and drove it in! This in and of itself should be a POST!!!!

      Like

      Reply

    • itsmeak
      Jul 27, 2014 @ 10:58:26

      True enough. Angelina Jolie especially but even Charlize Theron and Carrie Ann Moss from The Matrix trilogy are white women actresses who love taking on gutsy, edgier and more physical and less traditional roles for women in the action film drama but never are they ever been made to ‘ugly themselves up’ at all. The one time I could think of with Charlize Theron would be her playing Aileen Wuornos in Monster a role that Theron begged to play and said ‘she’d do anything’ to play so she put on loads of weight and let them ugly her up because understandably she’d smell an Oscar if she did than if she never let them alter her looks. But look at Theron in Aeon Flux an action movie that looks right up Angelina Jolie’s alley and you’ll see Theron looking completely normal. Edgy yes but not ugly especially if the white woman isn’t a comedienne or comedic actress like the fat one acting in a bunch of films like the fat one called Melissa McCarthy or Ellen DeGeneres when she used to act in movies and in TV shows.

      Like

      Reply

      • itsmeak
        Jul 27, 2014 @ 11:06:50

        Sorry I thought I typed genre not drama LOL

        Like

        Reply

      • itsmeak
        Jul 27, 2014 @ 11:15:03

        Michelle Lawrence is of course now the newer generation of white women actresses in gutsy edgy non-traditional roles within the action genre of movies and again they never ugly her up in The Hunger Games trilogy ever and I suspect they never will. White girls were encouraged to hold onto the pink tutus to play dress up in fantasies of ‘fairy princesses’ for a longer time than black girls (especially black girls with single parent mothers) were so it’s not shocking that in movies they would still agree to look like thin and attractive ‘fairy princesses’ now in their roles yet still be able to kick everybody’s tail and the tail of any man coming along! Old schooler Uma Thurman is yet another one even though to me she looked better over 25 years ago when she was still modeling or when she was in Dangerous Liaisons.

        Like

        Reply

  28. Karen
    Jun 11, 2014 @ 07:17:05

    @Say It Loud
    Thank you for your candor however I find your voyeurism offensive. These AA BW online discussions are on important issues that are focused on improving the lives of AA BW and girls. For you to be here as an interloper or more appropriately an intruder is quite astonishing when one considers the very real issues affecting women and girls in India:

    Here is just a sampling:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/90-of-11m-abandoned-kids-are-girls/articleshow/8052318.cms
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652696/Teenage-girls-hanging-mango-tree-India-victims-honour-killings-families-say-police.html
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2014/06/09/india-s-caste-culture-is-a-rape-culture.html

    And yes, the U.S. has a problem with rape too:
    http://www.more.com/news/india-rape-capital-world

    To reiterate, we are focused on important issues that affect our “tribe”, it would be most appreciated if you take your voyeurism elsewhere, as it has no benefit for AA BW and girls.

    Like

    Reply

    • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
      Jun 11, 2014 @ 14:03:32

      “To reiterate, we are focused on important issues that affect our “tribe”, it would be most appreciated if you take your voyeurism elsewhere”

      That’s Neecy’s decision to make.

      I found her blog because I clicked on her name at a comment she made over at Roissy’s (Heartiste) and it led me here.

      If she doesn’t want non-AABWs to find this place then she has the option of posting comments on non-AABW sites and blogs anonymously.

      Neecy, the call is yours. If you want me to leave, I respectfully will.

      Like

      Reply

      • Khadija Nassif
        Jun 11, 2014 @ 14:19:57

        Don’t (deliberately) get it twisted.

        You being something other than an AABW is NOT what has caused the negative responses to your comments.

        It’s the dishonest—or to use a more precise word—disingenuous*—nature of your comments here that have elicited negative reactions from a number of the BW in this audience. Which, if memory serves, includes a NON-AABW. IIRC, JaliliMaster is a Nigerian-British BW.

        [*Which I’ll discuss in more detail in my reply to your other comment.]

        Like

        Reply

        • Say It Loud I'm Brown (Indian: dot, not feather) And Proud!
          Jun 11, 2014 @ 18:55:15

          “It’s the dishonest—or to use a more precise word—disingenuous*—nature of your comments”

          I’ve not told any lies and whatever I wrote was in sincerity.

          Like

          Reply

          • Soul Alive
            Jun 20, 2014 @ 08:00:12

            Hey Indian,

            Why dont you have some pride and decency and leave on your own? You are absolutely adding nothing to the conversation and are being an intrusive looky loo, throwing poo into the mix and watching the fall out.

            As one of the commenters put it, you have your own business to worry about and should leave ours alone.

            Why exactly are you here? Do you care about Black women and girls? We all know you dont, so you must be here to be divisive and dishonest and throw our focus away from ourselves. You are not slick and even if you do continue to comment here, I hope your bile is ignored.

            Like

            Reply

      • Neecy
        Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:43:39

        I don’t mind if you stay as long as you are respectful and such which you have been.

        However, – I will just point out that here when it comes to talking about Black women issues, I and we are pretty unapologetic about saying how we feel and pointing out instances where we feel others are trying to gaslight us or our attempt at pointing out the obvious.

        If you can handle that, then its all good! We will never be disrespectful or rude, just steadfast and challenging in our beliefs.

        🙂

        Like

        Reply

  29. Neecy
    Jun 11, 2014 @ 21:19:01

    Sorry y’all I have been absent. I have been traveling for work and didn’t really have the time to respond to posts. But I am back 🙂

    Like

    Reply

  30. Godelyve
    Jun 15, 2014 @ 17:40:49

    Prayers for Neecy! Black women in this country need a total PR overhaul. I’m with you and I believe that God will answer our collective prayers.

    Like

    Reply

  31. 18andLegal
    Jun 23, 2014 @ 21:13:17

    This propaganda is used as a way to make African American women seem ugly and undesirable and push the myth that White women are the most beautiful women in the world. Black women really need to make their own media outlets and start promoting themselves as feminine, attractive and worthy of love. All this anti Black women propaganda that I am seeing these days has made me very upset as a young, Black woman. It really has. How are non Black women better than I am? I don’t see them as better but it makes me sad that society sees them as better than me just because they happen to have lighter skin and longer, silkier hair.

    Like

    Reply

  32. KP
    Jul 25, 2014 @ 10:44:31

    I read this wonderful post and the comments when it was originally posted but didn’t comment because it would just be parrotting the wonderful commentary from Khadija, Jalilimaster, FoxyCleopatra, Kia, and others. However viewing this post again after hearing insufferable fawning over this forsaken show that I do not nor will I ever watch, I noticed that all of the BW have natural hair. I’ve never seen so many natural haired black women on a popular television show, NEVER. Not even the Cosby Show, A Different World, or any other show with a sizeable BW cast. And the rare occasion where many of the BW characters are sporting natural hair in this show it’s ‘adorned’ with tampons and noodles. Seriously? This is a blatant attack on the mass exodus of BW relaxing their hair and instead sporting their natural locks, what some would say is a positive thing (highly debatable), but it’s a reinforcing of the idea of natural hair as unkempt, unruly, and dare I say criminal because more BW are doing it.

    Prior to the ‘natural hair movement’ we know that the only sisters rocking our naturals were the ones who were fully confident in their blackness and quite erudite. Heck, even most BW who are in jail/prison don’t rock natural hair, they still manage to get their hands on relaxers and relax their hair behind bars or even those jheri curl kits, so this casting and styling of the BW characters on this show is pure anti-BW conditioning through and through.

    Like

    Reply

  33. itsmeak
    Jul 27, 2014 @ 10:39:44

    Yeah that poster at the top looks like the banned cartoons from back in the 1920s to the 1950s from Warner Brothers, Disney and the people who made Popeye and Tom and Jerry. All she needs are little ribbons at the end of her hair bumps or she needs to be surrounded by a bunch of little white boys and saying things like ‘Otay!’…she could also be saying ‘Otay!’ on an SNL skit! LOL

    Like

    Reply

  34. FabFro
    Aug 26, 2014 @ 17:09:50

    Came across your blog via Muslim Bushido, and just thought to inform those who may not know about Laverne Cox and SRLP promotion of a trans”woman” that raped, killed and burned the body of 13 year old Ebony Nicole Williams.
    The original video was taken down for damage control reasons, but here’s the response to it.
    [Don’t forget to sign the petition at the end of the video! Thanks!]

    More can be found at GenderTrender.

    Like

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: